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1st November 2008, 05:16 PM
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Hi Louise,
She looks great..! She's got a wonderful self-posession mood...very spirited. ...pretty even with those Feathers being gunky. She's putting weight l-i-g-h-t-l-y on the injured Leg now...so, all in all, looking quite 'normal' even...prefering to mostly stand, but comfortable to lay down elegantly also. Eating good...pooping good. I had to leave out early today...just got back...so, she'll get her 'pill' now for today. Warming formula for others who await 'Mr.Tube'... The washings yesterday did cut down on things sticking to her...so that's good. She was quite the 'dust-magnet' and or any stray puff of down or other thing would go way out of it's way to adhere to her Feathers...so the Baths helped that part anyway. Well...chow-time for the 'tubesters' and pill-time for her now...so, I best get on it... Best wishes! Phil l v
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1st November 2008, 05:59 PM
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She's got a looooooooooooooooooooooong Beak..!
Such a sweetie... Did her Pill-Time...went well...so that's done. Her Crop is nice and FULL from Seed-eating during the day today...she feels strong and solid... I never cease to be impressed with how each one is very much an individual. Gave her her Pill...tube fed two other ones...each a totally different personality...each one their own Bird to-be-sure. Nap-time for me..! I'm a big sleepy-head... Love... Phil l v
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1st November 2008, 06:24 PM
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Hi Phil...........So happy and relieved that she is doing so well. I know she is not totally out of danger,but it seems that she is starting to stabilize. So glad she is starting to put some weight on the foot. Hopefully this is just a bad sprain and nothing broken.
I had a PM from Terry and she had an experience with a bird with glue and used the suff called "Detachol". It is a liquid medical adhesive remover and is totally non toxic. Terry said it worked great for her at the time, but it is hard to come by. I have made some calls around town.........none of the major drug stores carry it.....I was advised by a pharmacist that it would propably be available through a medical supply house. I called a few, but unfortunately most of them only operate Mon/Fri. I found some on line, but I think the shipping time would take longer then me trying to obtain some of it here on Monday. I know you have your hands full there Phil with all the needy birds. Ideally, I would like to take her home and nurse her back to health so I can release her back into her own family flock. Let's see if I can get the adhesive remover on Monday, then I'll bring it over and see if it works. If we can get her cleaned up and as long as you feel she would be safe, I'll take her home to complete her recovery. Thanks Phil for all you are doing. Please keep me posted. Regards, Louise
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1st November 2008, 08:00 PM
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Did you ever try WD-40, Phil??
I have heard it is non-toxic and can used for many many things! Best of everything with the little one!! Lookin' GOOD!!  Love and Hugs to all Shi
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1st November 2008, 09:22 PM
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1st November 2008, 09:42 PM
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Everyone...........I need to know more about these glue trap things. What do they look like???? Where to people put them???
Maybe it is one of my neighbors trying to get rid of the birds. All the other birds could be in danger. I need more information to go on. I am so worried for all the birds in the flock now. Anybody know anything about this horrible thing.
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1st November 2008, 10:03 PM
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They are cardboard strips or trays with clear, sticky glue on them and come in various sizes. It's possible that someone put it down to catch mice, which I think is the most common use. But anything can get stuck of course. One website I just found said to use vegetable oil to remove the glue.
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1st November 2008, 10:49 PM
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Hi Sasha, Yes...is 'shiney'...sears thing...and is tacky...about like clear Silicone caulking would be...only this has not dried...and no Acetyl Acid odor... Will try a little 'W-D-40' test in a little while... Her Feet and Legs were clean...pretty much anyway...light traces was about it. Otherwise, the long Wing Feathers, her under-wing areas, sides, and back, underside, and Tail were all pretty saturated with it...Crop and front too...this would have prevented flying in itself...since the Feathers can not spread or seperate. Phil l v Last edited by pdpbison; 1st November 2008 at 10:54 PM.
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1st November 2008, 10:58 PM
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This all makes sense now. This poor little bird ran into one of these glue trap things.......got stuck.........and struggled to get itself off of the horrible thing......that's how it hurt it's foot. That is also why this glue is stuck to just the tail feathers, the belly and the long wing feathers.
I hate people that would use such an inhumane thing for whatever creature they whey trying to get rid of. I pray to God that there are no other birds that are stuck and are being left to die. This has to be close to my house, because there was no way this bird could have flown away once it was free from the glue. She had to hobble and drag itself back to my house. I am starting to feel awful about this. Might I have brought this upon the birds because I have been feeding them.??? I haven't had any complaints from the neighbors, but maybe I am ultimately responsible by feeding them here and causing someone to do this. Oh God.......Please let the birds be allright.
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2nd November 2008, 12:12 AM
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...I meant 'smeary' ( lots of bad keys...hard to trpe..)
Smeary...very like how Silicone 'Caulking' is...only unlike the Caulking...this stuff does not seem to have dried. Phil l v
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2nd November 2008, 01:04 AM
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Louise, you can't blame yourself. It's not your fault! Like I said, someone probably put it out to catch mice, or rats. It's still a horrible thing of course, but some people may not realize that any animal could get stuck on those traps, not just the ones they're trying to remove. And there are other more humane ways to get rid of rodents. Ways that won't hurt them or other species in the process. We don't even know for certain that's what happened to the bird
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2nd November 2008, 02:30 AM
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'WD-40' does not appear to losen or dissolve the offending material.
Was a good idea though... I will go to the Store tomorrow, and get Mineral Oil...and a different kind of Vegetable Oil...and try those... Phil l v Last edited by pdpbison; 2nd November 2008 at 02:35 AM.
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2nd November 2008, 07:08 AM
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Phil...........It didn't surprise me that the
WD 40 didn't work. I've been doing alot of research on these glue traps and also adhesive removers. You can try the Mineral/Vegetable oil, but I have also seen that maybe Baby Oil might work. The oil remedies primiarily work to loosen the animals from the traps or strips. I don't think it will work to remove the residue. I think our birds only hope it the "Detachol" stuff. I will be trying my damnest on Monday to get my hands on this stuff. In all the research I have done, that seems to be the only thing that works, other than actually cutting the feathers off the bird. Please hold off of any trimming until I get the Detachol and we give that a try. As long as the bird is stable, eating, drinking and pooping well, poor little thing will just have to be patient until we can get her clean. Thanks Phil for all that you are doing!!!
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