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HELP! Baby Pigeon Throat Closing/ Congested!!!!!Help!!!
I rescued a baby pigeon who was doing well up till now. He has grown quite a bit and his feathers have come out but he still has a few yellow hairs. He is able to stand now too. I am hearing a loud crackling raspy sound in his throat when he trys to beg for food and it really sounds like he is congested, like their is mucus in his throat. Also, his crop is not emptying as fast as it used to. I am using Exact to feed him and have tried using more water in it to make it go down easier. I have also tried 1 cc of unflavored yograt. But, he hasn't improved at all. I have also emptyed out his crop once. He is really looking weak. Please help me I do not want him to die!! Is their anyway to get the food to empty out of his crop sooner?? I think his throat is closing up, is their anything to help him fight off this??? 
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Where are you located?
You can try syringing about 3-5 cc's of baking soda water or apple cider vinegar water to the bird and then massaging the crop. Get the bird on a heating pad or come up with a way to provide warmth particularly to the crop area of the bird. Don't feed anymore until the crop empties .. just the baking soda water or ACV water. Once the crop empties you can go back to very thin Exact and work your way back up. The young bird may have canker which would explain your thought that the throat is closing up .. if it does have canker (trichomoniasis), you need to get it started on the right medicine right away. I'm going to have to sign off shortly for the night, but please do post back and others will be along to try and help. Terry
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What is the right medicine? I have tried penicillin at 125mg.
Also, how much baking soda and water to use or apple cider and vinegar and water to use? What would be the measurements? Thanks! Last edited by aiko; 14th May 2007 at 11:08 PM.
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Baking soda .. 1 teaspoon to one cup of water
ACV - 1 teaspoon to one quart of water Don't give both .. choose one or the other .. If the bird has canker (and we don't know this for sure) you need one of the "zole" drugs .. carnidazole, metronidazole, ronidazole. Don't forget the warmth .. that's essential to help with a slow crop. And don't forget to tell us where you are located. Terry
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Terry we are located in San Francisco & very low on money for any vet. Do you suggest I stop the pennicillin? Will try one of the solutions you suggested. We have sent you birds in the past (Chris's loft) you called them. Hope they are well. Please email any other suggestions.
Chistopher (father) & Aiko (daughter).
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Hi Aiko,
This sounds like there are several problems going on. You mention he can now stand. Well, they 'stand' nicely when only four or five days old for that matter, so, something has been been 'off'. How many poops in 24 Hours has this youngster been making usually? And, what do they look like, color wise, consistancy wise? Size wise? Can you say how many days old this Baby is? Or at least how long you have had him, and how old roughly, he was when you got him? This link shows images of the day to day developement...but this assumes they are not starved or sick or both. http://www.speedpigeon.com/baby_racing_pigeon.htm When you say you emtpied his Crop previously, what did you do to empty it? Phil Las Vegas
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Stop the pennicillin. Please, tell us the dose you have been giving, how often, and how have you been giving it? Do not just put plain Cider Vinegar into his mouth...wait please for the moment for more discussion. Lets just slow down a little here, and you can give some more details, before doing any more rash or destructive things to this Bird. How old - Poops - How did you empty his Crop - Phil Las Vegas
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Hi - Just got back from store with Baking Soda. Pigeon is about 20 days old. He was about 8 days old when I first got him. Other egg was dead. Rescued as would have been killed where nest was. Have raised squabs before but this one is having trouble. Crackling sound when breathing. Fed bout one hour ago. Only gave 1/3 Exact mixed with some cultured yogurt, totaling bout 20cc. Only had one poop was watery, not green, since his last feeding about 2 and 1/2 hours ago. Gave first dose of penicillin at 125mg earlier. This would be at one dose for 7-10 days total. Will stop the pennicillin as you suggest. Terry suggested & just bought baking soda at 1 tablespoon to 1 cup of water. We do not have the apple cider vinegar. Should we feed the baking soda in the morning, bout 7 am and if so how many times per day for how many days, and do you suggest feeding the Exact at 1/3 dilution & in birds condition how much per feeding & I expect only when crop is empty. Crop has not been emtying completely. So had lowered dilution down to 1/3 Exact. He has been in this condition for about 3 days. He has also been trying to vomit several times a day since he's been sick. Appreciate your assistance.
Last edited by aiko; 15th May 2007 at 12:38 AM.
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if its canker i suggest you buy spartrix.
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Hi Aiko,
Have there been any chaulky 'yellow' in the poops? or in liquids attenting the poops? Does this Bird seem to make plenty of his own warmth for himself? Is he indeed quite 'warm' if you have him in your hand or palm? Or had he been? My guess, so far, is that he is ill from being fed plain K-T, which pretty reliably gives them Candida and Yeast problems, especially if they have been at all chilled or even when not...causing the Crop to go into stasis, and shutting down their entire digestive system, and sometimes making gas or 'Air' in the Crop as well. If this youngster at 16, 18, 20 days of age, was not previously making 45 poops in 24 hours, he was by whatever proportion less than that, not being fed enough anyway, which may also have occasioned some problems as for his making enough heat for himself. I have to go now, but I will check back in a half hour or so and reply some more... Till next.. Phil Las Vegas
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I will look to see if there are any chalky yellow in his poops. But, so far he hasn't done any poops and his crop isn't emptying. I am worried about him overly trying to vomit. When he trys to vomit most of the time nothing comes out and you can see he is being really forceful in trying to get the food out of his system. This is probably because he can't empty his crop. He seems warm on his own, he is under a heating lamp at the moment. Should, I empty his crop in the morning if it is not empty? Or should I wait?
Last edited by aiko; 15th May 2007 at 01:19 AM.
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Hi Aiko,
I have no idea how you have been "emptying" his Crop, and generally, this would be a very dangerous thing TO do, or to try and do. Will you explain? Anyway, I would say "No", do not try emtpying his Crop for now, just leave it be. If you have had this Bird for two weeks or more, have there NEVER been any Poops at all? Or, whan last there were, what did they look like "then"? If you keep him in a cage for now, on a light color or white towell, not paper towells, but a "towell", then you can see, evaluate and count the poops, once they start happenning again ainyway. If this young Pigeon has eaten nothing BUT the "K-T" you have been feeding him, and now is is sick and trying to throw up, I suggest you review your practices for feeding, and outline them in detail for us, so we, or I, or whomever wants to, can eveluate what you have been doing feeding-wise, since there is a lot more TO it than 'just' mixing and feeding K-T. About all I can suggest for now, for tonight, is find a store that is open, or a neighbor or ralative or whatever, and get some Apple Cider Vinegar, or White Vinegar even, and add three Tablespoons of it to a Gallon of Water...just get a plastic Gallon at 7-11, label it for this, and add the Vinegar to that. Tomorrow, when it is easy to do, get some "Braggs" Raw, Apple Cider Vinegar, and then from then on, use it instead, in a fresh Gallon of Water, or fresh Water in the previouds plastic Gallon Jug. This then, should be his drinking Water for the next eight or ten days... And for the next couple of days, no more "K-T", or any other food...just let him fast. Were you feeding him anything else? If he is not drinking on his own, and if he has Candida or Yeast infections, which is my best guess as to what he IS suffering from, he likely is not interested in eating or drinking...so, if he is not drinking on his own, do you have a safe and sure way to get the ACV-Water into his Crop? Can you post some images? Phil l v Last edited by pdpbison; 15th May 2007 at 02:22 AM.
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Hi,
He was last fed 20 cc at 1/3 of Exact at 10 pm last evening. Crop is still half full and it is now 8 am here. He drank some water and the raspy sounds he was making before seem to have decreased. He is still trying to vomit. The poops are watery, muddy, lite green, and ave some whiteness in it. Emptying the crop consists of holding the bird upside down and massaging the crop gently until fluids come out. I only did this once, yesterday morning because it was not emptying completely and I was worried it was rotting as he had a strong odor coming from his mouth. Do you agree that I should stop feeding him Exact just for today and instead try the baking soda (1 teaspoon to one cup of water) since I have it? I could get apple cider vinegar but I only have the baking soda at the moment. Also, how many days would you recommend giving the baking soda and water if I were to do that? Here are some photos, one is of what his poop looks like now: http://www.flickr.com/photos/8169317@N03/499651337/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/8169317@N03/499594114/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/8169317@N03/499594106/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/8169317@N03/499594102/
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The baking soda solution is 1 TEASPOON to 1 cup of water. If you are going to go with the baking soda solution instead of the ACV solution that is fine. We are just trying to change the Ph balance in the crop and hoping to get it moving things through again. Give just the soda or ACV solution for now .. no food until the crop starts functioning again.
I'm sorry the little one is having such a rough time of it. Terry
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