I just Dont get It!!!!

[Max1170]

A Hen I own died this morning. She was fine last night and eating great. I woke up this morning and she was dead. Now I come home and find a perfectly healthy cock acting the same way, I give up! I give these birds the best of everything. A+ feed,vitamins, electrolyte...etc. I never take a bird in without quarantining him first... Can someone please tell me what more I can do.....I stopped flying because I don’t believe in their ways and lost 300 to boot.... Everytime a bird dies It feels like a lost a pet.......Max

[Charis]

It's going around...
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[spirit wings]

do you think any critter like a mouse or rat or snake can get in your loft? there is alot of things that they can get but sometimes the only way to really find out what it is is to take the bird for autopsy. some molds are in feed that is not stored right and the feed looks good but the mold is within the center or the grain and if the mold attacks the internal organs it could cause sudden death at it's worst.....just an idea..do you remember any thing strange about their droppings?

[Margarret]

Max1170,

I am so sorry to hear of your birds dying. I know what you are describing when you say it feels like loosing a pet. That is because that is just what is happening and it feels horrible.

I don't know what is causing this. I have been in touch with several people who have had the same thing, as well as PT people who are describing birds that look and act perfectly healthy, good appetites, good loft hygiene, but they find them dead overnight or within a day or two. There is no way to tell other than to have an autopsy done. Some states or counties will do this for a reasonable fee as they like to track any suspicious bird disease. I would suspect West Nile virus from the sudden onset, except it doesn't affect pigeons much. But they can get it now and again. It is mostly crows and jays, birds in the corvid family that really are succeptible.

Margaret

[Max1170]

Originally Posted by spirit wings

do you think any critter like a mouse or rat or snake can get in your loft? there is alot of things that they can get but sometimes the only way to really find out what it is is to take the bird for autopsy. some molds are in feed that is not stored right and the feed looks good but the mold is within the center or the grain and if the mold attacks the internal organs it could cause sudden death at it's worst.....just an idea..do you remember any thing strange about their droppings?

Everything seemed fine with them...so I never looked at their dropping. I am wondering If It is the grit!! When it gets wet from humidity... I dry it out and reuse it...Max

[Max1170]

Originally Posted by Margarret

Max1170,

I am so sorry to hear of your birds dying. I know what you are describing when you say it feels like loosing a pet. That is because that is just what is happening and it feels horrible.

I don't know what is causing this. I have been in touch with several people who have had the same thing, as well as PT people who are describing birds that look and act perfectly healthy, good appetites, good loft hygiene, but they find them dead overnight or within a day or two. There is no way to tell other than to have an autopsy done. Some states or counties will do this for a reasonable fee as they like to track any suspicious bird disease. I would suspect West Nile virus from the sudden onset, except it doesn't affect pigeons much. But they can get it now and again. It is mostly crows and jays, birds in the corvid family that really are succeptible.

Margaret

Thanks Margaret, I look at them as my pets not just pigeons thats why I quit flying them at my club.........

[spirit wings]

Originally Posted by Max1170

Everything seemed fine with them...so I never looked at their dropping. I am wondering If It is the grit!! When it gets wet from humidity... I dry it out and reuse it...Max

I would say mold in the feed before the grit but I would just not reuse the grit and give new daily when it is humid out. also possible viral infection...keep an eye on the droppings of the rest of the birds and report that to the vet and if another one dies take it to get autopsy.....wish I had a answer for you but as you know it is not a simple thing, only guesses....also make sure mice or rats can't get in they carry diseases.

[Charis]

Originally Posted by Max1170

Everything seemed fine with them...so I never looked at their dropping. I am wondering If It is the grit!! When it gets wet from humidity... I dry it out and reuse it...Max

Max...TheSnipes lost seveal pigeons to contaminated grit last fall. It's best to put grit out in small amounts and keep the bag in a protected container.

[pdpbison]

Hi max,



What does the image of some guy in a baseball cap shooting the Armalite or whatever it is, have to do with any of this?


It really is a confusing thing to insert unless it is supposed to be germain to something.




Phil
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[Max1170]

Originally Posted by Charis

Max...TheSnipes lost seveal pigeons to contaminated grit last fall. It's best to put grit out in small amounts and keep the bag in a protected container.

The reason why i said grit is...I checked her crop to see If it was full and the only thing I could feel was grit......I went out and took the grit away from them....These Birds are going to kill me

[Pidgey]

Originally Posted by pdpbison

Hi max,



What does the image of some guy in a baseball cap shooting the Armalite or whatever it is, have to do with any of this?


It really is a confusing thing to insert unless it is supposed to be germain to something.




Phil
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Phil, I'd bet that it's his automatic signature.

[Pidgey]

Well, this is mouse-moving-in season so you could be looking at a Paratyphoid outbreak.

Pidgey

[pdpbison]

Oye...could be any of endless things...


Grit which gets wind blown dusts on it, then gets 'wet'...can support 'spores' of all sorts of bad fungi, molds, possibly Botulism, and so on...


A Crop-full-of-grit, is an odd thing to encounter...


I have seen it a few times with fledglings who got enthusiastic or confused, and or for whatever reason, stuffed themsleves FULL of Grit, and it took DAYS to pass...



Hard enough to keep a good Eye on everyone even when one lives with them literally in the same rooms where one lives, let alone, when the Birds are outdoors...


Phil
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[Jay3]

Originally Posted by pdpbison

Hi max,



What does the image of some guy in a baseball cap shooting the Armalite or whatever it is, have to do with any of this?


It really is a confusing thing to insert unless it is supposed to be germain to something.




Phil
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Ya know Phil, some people have pics of dogs or cats or, or guns,or whatever as their avatars. What do they have to do with anything? It seems we should be able to use what ever pic we want to.

[Jay3]

Max, I'm so sorry about all this. I know how much your birds mean to you. I hope you figure it out soon.