infection on tongue of feral pigeon!

[xxmoxiexx]

string injury pigeon, getting ready for release, was just checking him over to make sure he's looking ok. well, he's got an infection halfway up his tongue. I've seen this before, but it was with a bird with such BAD canker it had spread to and around tongue in almost exactly the same way, except with that bird there was a ton more canker in mouth, throat, etc.
There was actually MORE yellow stuff then pictured, but i wasn't sure what it was, so i pulled off a tiny piece to make sure it wasn't a piece of something. Under the infection is an obvious ring all the way around tongue where the infection has eaten into flesh of tongue. I'm afraid he's going to lose the half of it. It seems very flimsy and almost about to fall off.
I left the rest of pus, afraid to mess with it. I gave flagyl, but i just did that to get something into him. What is it, and what SHOULD i be giving him?
I've got him away from other pigeons now too, I'm afraid they will get it now since they were in contact?

here's link to photos
http://public.fotki.com/xscribblerx/sick-pigeons/

[TAWhatley]

I don't think that's canker .. looks more like something .. piece of string ?? was around the tongue .. possibly fishing line that you can't easily see ??

Terry

[pdpbison]

Hi "X,



This might be one of those occasions where mixing some "DSMO" into a tiny batch of a stout solution of an anti-trichomonal medicine, and applying this then to the actuall affected part, would be worth while...

You can get 'DMSO' at any Farm or Feed Store and it is inexpensive...


Since it will carry anything into tissue, through skin, of course be extra careful in how you handle and manage every detail when using it...


That, and, of course, have him on a routine Anti-Canker medicine systemically for however long...



Thats my thought on this...

It would get the medicine into the Tongue instantly...



Is your 'Flagyl' a Liquid? - or a 'pill' sort?



Phil
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[pdpbison]

Originally Posted by TAWhatley

I don't think that's canker .. looks more like something .. piece of string ?? was around the tongue .. possibly fishing line that you can't easily see ??

Terry

Hi Terry, Hi "X",



Well...of course, make sure this is Canker if considering to treat the Tongue with anti-canker-meds...


Candida can sometimes find odd expression...


Have you a frieldy vet or other recourse for a Lab test from a swab?


Phil
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[xxmoxiexx]

nope, no place to get something done, a vet, etc.
what is DSMO? and antitrichomonal medicine?
No farm/feed stores around here either.
should i remove the pus and see if anything is in there?
and should i just give flagyl until i get right meds, or find out what it is?
It is the pill form, phil.

[Trees Gray]

Originally Posted by xxmoxiexx

nope, no place to get something done, a vet, etc.
what is DSMO? and antitrichomonal medicine?

I'm not Phil, but that is a free radical scavinger.

http://www.dmso.org/index.html

I would put a drop of colloidal silver on that spot on the tongue, as it is a wonderful for any infection, and internally too,

[Feefo]

should i remove the pus and see if anything is in there?

JMO, but this could be pox. I couldn't see the picture very clearly. Pox lesions can develop on the tongue and pox tends to destroy tissue. I wouldn't remove anything.

Cynthia

[xxmoxiexx]

well, what should i treat with? And what is collodial silver? And where can i get some?
There is no feed/farm stores here.
I dont think it is a string, i always check the mouth when they come in. Well, it could of been there, and not been infected yet, so ignore that thought.
I know, hard to get pics that close!
I'm at a loss, what to do?
What do you give for pox?

[Pidgey]

Pox is a virus, and a fairly highly communicable one, too. So, you'll need to isolate this bird for awhile and there is no systemic medication that can do any good. That said, it's a topical treatment only if it's that particular virus family. Frankly, there aren't many that are going to do much of any good inside the mouth like that. Colloidal silver is a product with silver particles in a suspension, found at most health food stores. Treesa's favorite is by Sovereign Silver and the only one that she promotes. You'd just paint it on the tongue.

Pidgey

[pdpbison]

Hi "X",



This is hard for all of us to quite envision - would you start over and give a detailed description, from the top?


Is there an construed infection site which is beneath the Tongue, as well as involving the Tongue itself?


And, is it 'red'? Does it have any texture, swelling, laceration or bleeding?


Pus? As in 'white' or 'yellow' or...? - 'in' a Bubble or Blister? Or, oozing out from an opening?


Phil
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[xxmoxiexx]

so, Pidgey, you think it is pox too?
I separated him, but he was with the others too.
So, the tongue, there was a ring of yellowish/white around, ALL the way around the tongue, in a perfect circle really. I thought it may be a piece of seed somehow, and pulled at a piece, and it was a piece of pus. Not hard pus, still kind of oozey. Then behind the pus was an indentation into the tongue, and it goes all the way around.
I gave flagyl, and put some powdered flagyl on the tongue, this morning, there wasnt as much pus, but you could see the indentation like where the infection had eaten into the tongue.
The pus wasnt "IN" a bubble or blister, more like coming out of the indentation, the circle, around the tongue.

[TAWhatley]

Still think this was a "something around the tongue thing" .. look at the pics .. it's too perfect to be anything else .. doesn't mean that the meds shouldn't be given ..

Terry

[pdpbison]

Hi "X",


From what you describe them...if it was me confronting this...I think I would gently get off whatever puss there is, and, with a Q-Tip, dab the affected area underside and sides and top, with some 50/50 Peroxide and Water...

And repeat this ohhhhhhhhh, every six hours or so...and see if that does not see the matter resolved.


It is ONLY on his Tongue then? Not in his Throat or Mouth in any other places?


Anyway...who knows? People sometimes get some little 'thing' on their Tongues or on the roof of their Mouths...and these, is gently debrided and treated with some Peroxide, go away nicely in no time...


Good luck..!


Phil
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[Feefo]

I have used colloidal silver a lot recently, I find that it is particularly good for eye damage.

Cynthia

[Pidgey]

Phil, from what I gather by the pictures and description is it's like you slid a tiny ring halfway down the tongue between the absolute tip and the base. You'd almost think it was a string injury, it's such a perfect ring. The rest of the bird seems unaffected. It sure would be a tough thing to try and work on looking for a string or filament given the awkwardness of the location. I think you'd need a second pair of hands that were both holding the bird as well as keeping the beak open wide.

Pidgey