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18th February 2009, 11:23 AM
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PMV-Flock with PMVI have 2 lofts- a breeder and a flying loft. My breeder loft has come down with what i strongly suspect is PMV. The flying loft is fine so far. Vaccines should be here today and I am going to vaccinate all the pigeons. 12 of my favorite birds are "wobbling" I separated them and put them in a small cage where they can eat and drink easily. Some are looking better- some websites say to vaccinate birds showing symptoms, some don't- what should i do?
any comments? Thanks, Sal 
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18th February 2009, 11:34 AM
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I'm sorry to hear this. The experts will be along soon I'm sure.
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18th February 2009, 12:09 PM
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its been going on for about 3 days- but one the other week started wobbling around, i put her by herself with some water and she got better. The symptoms of pmv sound simular. Paratyphoid, on the other hand says that "wobbling" is only rarely a symptom. The girl that was sick the other week, was dead this morning, she did have blood coming out her rearend. Im devestated by all of this.
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18th February 2009, 12:09 PM
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If it is PMV, do not give any bird showing symptoms vaccine - it won't help them, and it could be fatal.
As Lovebirds suggests, it could be Paratyphoid - depends on what symptoms you are seeing. This link will tell you just about all those you may see. A pigeon with PMV will, except right at the first point of infection, almost certainly show at least a couple of these. Paratyphoid can initially be confused with PMV, but the similarity is mainly in the twisting of the neck (torticollis). Paratyphoid is not a virus, therefore can be treated with antibiotic (such as Baytril), whereas PMV cannot be so treated. http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/f25/pi...eon-12250.html Take a look, and let us know what your birds are showing. It maybe something else entirely. There is always the question of how would they become infected, unless of course they were exposed to birds from another loft who might be incubating the condition. John
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18th February 2009, 12:14 PM
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its been going on for about 3 days- but one the other week started wobbling around, i put her by herself with some water and she got better. The symptoms of pmv sound simular. Paratyphoid, on the other hand says that "wobbling" is only rarely a symptom. The girl that was sick the other week, was dead this morning, she did have blood coming out her rearend. Im devestated by all of this.
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18th February 2009, 01:04 PM
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PLEASE read and follow information thread on PMV: http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/showthread.php?t=12248
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18th February 2009, 02:12 PM
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18th February 2009, 02:33 PM
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Blood from the vent is not a symptom of PMV (although I guess it could possibly be seen in a bird which had permanent kidney damage from PMV quite a while before). Only things I can think of might be the blood being connected with serious egg laying problem if a hen, or maybe from bowel damage from paratyphoid. A severe worm infestation might also cause bleeding, I believe (anyone?).
With the balance problem, that could indicate PMV, but one form of paratyphoid can affect the nervous system too. Do they show signs like ... being unable to pick up much food (aiming at it but missing a lot of the time) ... picking up seed then convulsively tossing it over the shoulder ... drinking abnormal quantities of water ... spinning in circles .... suddenly appearing to drop head down and go into a deep sleep? Those are some things which would definitely point to PMV. If the only definite symptom is that they are 'wobbly', or kind of unsteady when walking, that would seem like there is some other problem and to be honest I'd say the only way you will get a firm diagnosis would be if you can take one of the birds to an avian vet. Do any flyers you know have a vet they could recommend? Paratyphoid affecting the brain is not something I have personally observed, only one young pigeon with external boils which may have been paratyphoid. John
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18th February 2009, 03:22 PM
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I also am more inclined to think you have Paratyphoid in your loft than PMV. As spirit wings suggested, feed that has gotten damp and then moldy can cause them to become ill and display similar symptoms. Often sick Pigeons are sick with more that one thing at a time. Sickness causes stress and if they have been harboring canker or coccidia, it can become full blown. Blood in the feces could also indicate worms.
Vaccinating at this point without knowing what's going on for sure may be deadly. The very best thing would be to take one of the sick birds to a vet for a diagnosis and ask for medication for all of them. How do you store you feed? Do you change it daily or put new on the top of old feed? Do you have mice or rats in your loft?
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18th February 2009, 03:40 PM
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Charis, good points, but the longer i think about it i am thinking Coccidiosis. from my experience that is a classic sign. your are right about the vaccine thing. I have to look up the enteritis, i know it can come from exposure to rodent feces.
I do not ever remember a wormy bird having bloody feces, but i have not had a wormy bird in a long time. sic75 do you keep poultry or rabbits near your birds? Dave
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