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#46
5th July 2007, 12:47 PM
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Well, if the poops are looking alright now, I do not think we need worry about disease process for the time being. Trauma can throw off their poops/urates for sure, for a few days anyway, till things find their stride again. Whitish watery poops can be in effect a failure to re-collect the Water from the urates...and this can be a result of some tone loss to the rear area effecting the muscles and processes of the Vent. So, really, the question would be, how are the poops now? What do they look like? What is their consistancy? Pigeons hitting puberty...or other occasions of hormones riseing, can make for some entirely freightening looking wierd, curdled and 'off' poops, but these similarly are only temporary and are not signaling disease or problems...merely a change in chemistry of their system for the moment... One of mine here, shot in the wing, had a HUGE hematoma, and it is now almost all gone...so, takes a few days anyway, maybe more...but if something broke a little Blood Vessel in there, it can make quite a 'blue' swelling... Phil Las Vegas 
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#47
5th July 2007, 07:37 PM
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the poops have changed over the last few days.
Now I am seeing formed dark blobs of poop with halo of wet around them. Sometimes that wet is a bit white but not so much today. (I cannot believe that I am describing bird poop!) I am still working on the pictures. She is enjoying her perch. The bad foot seems to be getting smaller. She is putting weight on the knuckles. She is also trying to fly away every time I pick her up. The swollen wing is not stopping her from flapping it. She is eating more than I would expect. I am wondering if I can over feed her? I have her food in a peanut butter jar lid and I mound it up pretty well. She obviously does not care for the millet as much as the sunflower seeds in the mix. But she is really going through a lot of food. I have mounded the lid up twice already today. That just seems like a lot of food for one bird.
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#48
5th July 2007, 07:42 PM
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Tell you what, she probably shouldn't be flapping that wing for awhile, especially with a hematoma. Can you keep her in something with a low ceiling (dog carrier or box with only the end open on its side) so that she won't even think or want to flap? Sometimes their anxiety or panic is enough for them to hurt themselves more. It's best just not to give 'em the room to do it for awhile.
Pidgey
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#49
5th July 2007, 07:47 PM
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Just out of curiosity, can you manually open the clenched toes? If they're going to end up permanently messed up, it'd probably be better for them to scar up in an open position. To do that, you'd just take a piece of wide masking tape and work the toes open down on the sticky side. You can then cover them over with more tape and add layers until it's stiff enough that it won't buckle. That might help her out a lot.
Pidgey
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#50
5th July 2007, 07:48 PM
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My mom has a cat carrying cage that I can hose down and use.
My dog kennel is very large. I think at first she was too dazed to care but it is becoming obvious that she would rather not be hanging out in my bathroom. She is reacting very differently to me and is doing more for herself. But then again, I have taped a wing, bathed her in betadine and taken her to a party...I dont think I am on her list of favorite people. If I have to tube feed her to get abx in her I am really not making her Christmas Card list.
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#51
5th July 2007, 07:55 PM
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The initial shock (not to be confused with an electric shock) is often enough to make them seem very docile and loving at first. You just never know whether they're going to turn out to be very loving and adapted to living in a home or not. Personally, I think there's a really strong chance that she won't ultimately be releasable but I'd pay good money to be proven wrong on that prediction. Anyhow, here's a real good story of an unreleasable pigeon that fit in pretty well:
http://www.urbanwildlifesociety.org/...ePijStory.html Pidgey
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5th July 2007, 07:55 PM
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Mmmm, I don't think either, in his oppinion you're torturing him.  Reti
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#53
5th July 2007, 08:03 PM
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Well, I did send meds to you today, as I mentioned in pm. and Bean Tree did
also mention that the pigeon is getting Colloidal Silver. I'm thinking you probably have probiotics on hand as well or could get some. This is always helpful for their digestive tract as well. Most of the meds are known devil meds and in pill format. fp
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#55
5th July 2007, 08:36 PM
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Hi BeanTree, Colors? If you keep her on a white Towell...it is easier to see, count or evaluate the poops... Is there any chaulky 'yellow' to the 'wet' part ot halo? Also, if feeding Sunflower seeds, please ONLY feed the very "small" kind, the so called "Black Oil Seeds"...the other kinds can clog them up and kill them...even though when hungry they WILL eat them...same with 'peanuts', it is very dangerous for any injured, ill, young, or convelesent PIgeon to be allowed to eat them. Generally Sunflower Seeds will make for 'black' Poops, which in it's way is not good when trying to evaluate otherwise for illness or internal injurys...so, if it was me, I would not feed any Sunflower Seeds for the time being. Once set up in a low cage...have a white Towell for the bottom... Take some Tape and tape her Wings together at the primary Feather tips, over the small of her back...just tape the tips together there, and this will keep her from flapping and from stressing the injured Wing. With the Leg issue, this will also likely keep her from being able to stand or move about much, so she should be set up in a "U" Shaped second small towell, rolled loosely and bent into a "U" form for her to lay in...have Seeds and Water in easy reach in front of her, and adjust her as necessary... Fine for her to eat all she likes... I have had some convelesents who ate a full Tea Cup worth a-day... If you are not already doing so, please consider for her drinking Water to be ACV-Water...being in this case, two and a half Tablespoons of raw Apple Cider Vinegar to a Gallon of Water...just use a plastic Gallon Jug, and label it. Best wishes! Good luck..! Phil Las Vegas
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#56
5th July 2007, 08:37 PM
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Bean Tree, do you have a scanner? If you knew someone w/a scanner, maybe they could scan and you could put it on a floppy and bring it to your house?
Disposable camera, develope, scan....floppy or email to you....does that sound doable? It sure would be good to have some pictures. I'd tend to do the one time wormer and one time coccidiosis treatment before going for the anitbiotics. Then combine Metronidazole and Baytril.
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#57
5th July 2007, 09:22 PM
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Ok I have 3 really bad pics. the lighting in my bathroom is bad and the camera phone is not very good. BUT I figured out how to send pics from my phone to the computer! (I only have this damn phone to keep in touch with the husband who is on a boat 2/3 of the time and still dont know how to use it). I will try to get better pics tomorrow when the light is better.
But here is a link to pics. http://www.axcessmypics.com/Beantree/jsps/blog Let me explain: Pic 1. box that I was using earlier before ants found it. This has dirty paper in bottom. You can see on the ampersand written on teh newsprint a typical dropping for today. This is prior to the colloidial silver. I have added Baby Jarrow Acidophilus probiotics to her water from the getgo. If I am handling her and she poops, it is much runnier. I will be needing a new bathroom rug. Pic2. Poorly lit pic of Abigail sitting on her food. She seems to like to do this quite a bit. Pic3. Bad shot of the area of concern with the wing it is inflamed and pink. Definitely swollen. The feathers look horrible after I rinsed them down with betadyne today. I have her in another, smaller cardboard box until I can get a carrying cage.
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#58
5th July 2007, 09:50 PM
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Wow, that software is fantastic, I can't believe the load time. I have several
who like to perch on their food bowl as well, especially at night. Well, the probiotics and the CS sure seem to have been doing their job. I can't see real well in the pictures probably because it is a cell phone camera, but I've seen worse. When you have a feral in hand, it's kind of an opportunity to treat for things that are usually there. So barring any significant change in demeanor, I'd still give the one time wormer and coccidiosis treatment the first day but am/pm then move on to Baytril/Metronidazole combo. The bird burrito should help you when needing to handle. When through w/medications it's best to give them a few days of probiotics to get their system back to normal. We really don't know if the other bird was a mate or what, so this bird could be experiencing quite a range of things right now, I'm glad s/he is in your care. fp
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#59
5th July 2007, 09:57 PM
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When we were coming home tonight, my daughter said she saw a few other pigeons on the freakin phone wire. Lets hope they dont do whatever the others did.
The phone company guy thinks what happened was that when teh power went off, it created a surge that coursed through the line when it came back on. This huge load of electricity is what fried my DSL filter and what he thinks killed the one pigeon. I am hoping that her flock sticks around long enough for her to get out of my house as wholesome as possible. Man, this pigeon is going to hate my guts when I start sticking stuff in her mouth. Oy! I did the burrito thing today.
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