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20th January 2009, 12:06 PM
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Problem! Paratyphoid/Salmonella + Trichomonas Infections
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#2
20th January 2009, 12:24 PM
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Your pigeons can be cured, including the baby. No culling please.
We need a picture of the baby's boil you are talking about.
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#3
20th January 2009, 12:36 PM
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paratyphoid can be cured! no culling I hope..would be pointless if all are exposed. !! as your whole flock may be infected you may need to find the right antibiotics.
good luck and keep posting
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#4
20th January 2009, 01:04 PM
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Charis.. I don't want to resort to culling unless theres's no hope
(its a painful for the pigeons to live with the disease if it can't be cured). or if its a dangerous to the rest of the flock. i will post pictures tomorrow as its inapplicable right now. psychopomp, i hope i don't cull anything (except maybe for the paratyphoid).. i don't know if my whole flock are infected or not.. as i said no access to veterinary, so i have to take all possibility.. Thank you All
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#5
20th January 2009, 01:38 PM
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There is no need to cull. It is treatable. All your birds need to be treated and you must keep rodents out of your loft.
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20th January 2009, 02:00 PM
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First of all, you are throwing all of that antibiotic at your birds when you have no idea what has infected them, if anything. If you want to do something effective stop with all of the high powered antibiotic and get an analysis of some droppings so you have some idea what it is you are trying to cure. Foys offers a droppings analysis for $25.00, check their web page.
Second, whether you know it or not, combining antibiotics in the hope that somehow you improve their potency is worse than useless. Parathyphoid in particular comes from S. enterica, which has over 1000 strains, or variations. One great problem in treating humans is the fact that it develops resistance quickly and easily when you monkey around with antibiotic mixtures. First you find out what it is that is causing the problem, then select the antibiotic that works best for that particular type of bacteria, if it is bacteria at all. Then give the appropriate dose, a firehose approach will get you nothing.
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20th January 2009, 02:17 PM
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for no good reason. We are just in the beginning and trying to figure out what the problem might be. Could be the little one has canker. We are waiting for a picture of the baby. It would be wonderful if you would help be detective.
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#8
20th January 2009, 03:25 PM
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Well... go back and read his post again:
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Last edited by Pidgey; 20th January 2009 at 03:27 PM.
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#9
20th January 2009, 03:33 PM
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Grimaldy...my apologizes to you. Detective work still needed.
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20th January 2009, 07:10 PM
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I am going to have to say that I no longer think that all "Paratyphoid Boils" are caused by Salmonellae. Some (boils and other joint swellings) haven't responded appreciably to a fluoroquinolone (like Baytril or Cipro) and have done much better with a Tetracycline or Clindamycin. In the case of the Clindamycin, it might have worked due to the pathogen being an L-form Salmonellae or imbedded in the bone as Osteomyelitis. However, when Doxycyline works, you'd tend to suspect something else. Impossible to say, actually.
Pidgey
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21st January 2009, 03:41 AM
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Hi.. and thank you all for all the infos.. i really appreciate it.
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21st January 2009, 05:23 AM
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I had a hunch you might be somewhere other than the US when you mentioned that the drugs had Chloramphenicol in them. Where it works, it's actually a very powerful antibiotic. Since the drug mix that you've got is about the only one that you can get and since your options for veterinary care are very limited, there's not a lot we can do besides follow your updates. Best of luck!
Pidgey
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#14
21st January 2009, 07:47 AM
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Good noticing Pidgey, yes .. i've read somewhere that
Chloramphenicol isn't sold anymore in the US because of some side effects. And while its true that a veterinary ain't an option in my case.. i do have access to medications, but not in this week (that's why i said, its the only thing available to me right now). the pharmacy is far from where i live and i can't get to it this week.. that's why my main question in my 1st post regarding 'culling' as a preventive measure.. but 'maybe' the next week i can go, so if you have any alternatives.. i'm all ears! i've said in my previous post that this's the 4th day.. and it was a mistake.. its the 5th, so i'v finished the treatment.. i've noticed one of my pigeons lieing down on its side wing .. i've read some where that it might be some internal sore and the pigeon is trying to relief that pain? any suggestions? Last edited by alhowiriny; 21st January 2009 at 08:30 AM.
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21st January 2009, 10:03 AM
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Thanks for all the photos and the video. Are those "boils" hard and crusty or soft and filled with fluid? They look hard in some of the photos. I'm asking because the paratyphoid boils that I have seen are fluid filled. I really don't know about that growth in the eye area on that one bird. It doesn't look like pox to me, but I'm not sure what it is.
I'm sorry your birds are having all these problems and hope that you/we can come up with some solutions. Terry
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