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Old 11th September 2007, 07:14 PM
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very droopy pigeon, help!


Aias was on the roof with the cats about an hour ago, when he noticed that they noticed something. There was a pigeon flopping around (once he saw the cats) in the pitch dark, trying to fly away, but totally unable to.
Aias brought the pigeon in, and right away, I noticed the pigeon's posture was very strange. he holds his head and neck strangely, in a downward position. We looked in the mouth, didn't see canker. No obvious injuries. The feet have some growths/lesions. LOTS of pigeon flies. Young adult pigeon, very light weight, orange eyes, white ceres. Mostly alert, though gets a little sleepy. Really doesn't lift his head at all. No poops yet.
I spent the last 45 minutes giving drops of rehydration solution on the side of his beak, until I saw that the water seemed to be dribbling out at times. But he was obviously swallowing whenever I put any drops.
Aias is currently uploading some pics, will update with those in the next few minutes.
So i thought of Phil's pigeons since those were the only ones I ever heard of with their heads drooping down. If this pigeon makes it until then, we can take it to Animal General on Friday. But in the meantime, we have Spartrix, Baytril, Ivermectin...maybe a couple other things, I'll have to check.
Will be back with pics in a few...
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Old 11th September 2007, 07:39 PM
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ok aias still working on pics but a little update...1 forest green starvation poop. and the water seems to be bubbling out of the slits in the beak. even if it's been a minute or so since i gave any water (i'm doing it much more slowly now), all of a sudden, it'll come back out. i haven't given more than 10 cc--i mean, a lot of it just drips onto the newspaper.
also, no respiratory difficulty. when i first saw the position the bird was in, i thought maybe it was a breathing problem. but there's no labored breathing.
no twirling or stargazing. he can flap his wings and he can walk. though he mostly just stands there with his head down.
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Old 11th September 2007, 08:06 PM
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finally the photos


notice the boils or whatever they are on the feet.



and another one:

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Old 11th September 2007, 08:23 PM
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I have to go to sleep soon, Aias will be up for a couple hours. So I'm afraid to give the pigeon any medicine or food, since he seems to have trouble holding down the water and has his head/neck in that weird position. Any advice much appreciated!
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Old 11th September 2007, 08:24 PM
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Sabina, is that pox on his feet?
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Old 11th September 2007, 08:26 PM
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i don't know, we've never had a pigeon with pox before...does pox usually come on the feet?
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Old 11th September 2007, 08:27 PM
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It can be on the feet.
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Old 11th September 2007, 08:44 PM
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Any odors when you open the mouth?

Please isolate his dishes from any other pij there and make a solution of 1/2
cup bleach to a gallon of water for cleaning cage/utensils with.

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Old 11th September 2007, 08:47 PM
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Oh I just pm'd you fp. The bird is in the bathroom, and we haven't given water in a dish cause I'm afraid he'd drown. No odors from the mouth.
Any advice on feeding/medicating tonight? Do you think it's pox on the feet?
Thanks to both you and Charis for responding!
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Old 11th September 2007, 08:50 PM
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Couple other things...any thoughts on why the water is leaking out/being regurgitated??

Both poops have been formed dark green in the middle of a puddle of water.
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Old 11th September 2007, 08:57 PM
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Three different kinds of pox, and they can get more than one form at any given
time. They can also get canker at the same time even if you can't see it.

Here's a good link on the different kinds of pox:

http://www.peteducation.com/article....articleid=2743

I would suggest keeping the bird on rehydrating solution for tonight and giving
a very watey and small amount of formula tomorrow and see how s/he handles
the first addition of watered formula.

Poor baby is very sick. You might also try some CS internally to aid in drying
and possible infection.

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Old 11th September 2007, 09:02 PM
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What's CS?
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Old 11th September 2007, 09:07 PM
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Have aias check private messages.
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Old 11th September 2007, 09:17 PM
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Sorry, CS would be Colloidal Silver. The problem w/Diptheritic and Septicemic
types of Pox is that the virus will colonize in the organs and there isn't alot
that you can do other than providing supportive care.

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Old 11th September 2007, 09:20 PM
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That's definitely pox on the feet. That was a very good rescue of this young one Sabina and Aias .. it is definitely in need of some assistance!

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