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Posted 29th November 2010, 05:47 PM
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Ok here is what I have as far as the 'Blowtorch' method of training. I should add that this is for youngbirds, but old birds could be trained the same I suppose.

28 days before the first race day, you train the birds in a 'V' pattern to the line of flight on the race course to get them to think more and be able to line out quickly at the point of release.

Day 1 8 miles south
Day 2 8 miles southwest
Day 3 8 miles west
Day 4 12 miles west
Day 5 12 miles southwest
Day 6 12 miles south
Day 7 16 miles south
Day 8 16 miles southwest
Day 9 16 miles west
Day 10 20 miles west
Day 11 20 miles southwest
Day 12 20 miles south
Days 13,14,15 26 miles on the line of flight
Day 16 35 miles south
Day 17 35 miles southwest
Day 18 35 miles west
Days 19,20,21 26 miles on the line of flight
Day 22 35 miles west
Day 23 35 miles southwest
Day 24 35 miles south
Day 25 60 miles on the line of flight
Days 26,27 26 miles on the line of flight
Day 28(shipping day) loft fly in the morning then 5 mile toss in the afternoon on line of flight
Day 29 clock your winners

Now obviously I would start before the exact number of days required simply because of possible bad weather.
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OH. So training in a fanned out/arched course. I also believe that is beneficial. But birds never really fly in a straight path anyway. Despite that, my dad still believes in training in the straightest bee-line from the middle of the races to our loft. That works out great on our SW course because the middle for us falls right on top of a major highway. So that's how we train, because it is easier. I do still think it would be nice for them to have at least a little bit of a pie shape to their route. If nothing else, it lets them see more places and keeps them thinking.
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Ok here is what I have as far as the 'Blowtorch' method of training. I should add that this is for youngbirds, but old birds could be trained the same I suppose.

28 days before the first race day, you train the birds in a 'V' pattern to the line of flight on the race course to get them to think more and be able to line out quickly at the point of release.

Day 1 8 miles south
Day 2 8 miles southwest
Day 3 8 miles west
Day 4 12 miles west
Day 5 12 miles southwest
Day 6 12 miles south
Day 7 16 miles south
Day 8 16 miles southwest
Day 9 16 miles west
Day 10 20 miles west
Day 11 20 miles southwest
Day 12 20 miles south
Days 13,14,15 26 miles on the line of flight
Day 16 35 miles south
Day 17 35 miles southwest
Day 18 35 miles west
Days 19,20,21 26 miles on the line of flight
Day 22 35 miles west
Day 23 35 miles southwest
Day 24 35 miles south
Day 25 60 miles on the line of flight
Days 26,27 26 miles on the line of flight
Day 28(shipping day) loft fly in the morning then 5 mile toss in the afternoon on line of flight
Day 29 clock your winners

Now obviously I would start before the exact number of days required simply because of possible bad weather.
Sure seems like a lot of work to me. What kind of a "real" homing pigeon needs all of this kind of training to "teach" the bird how to find home ?

I had a pair of birds this year that were so called late hatches. Their very first training toss was a 192 mile race, and they did just fine. My original mentor, Earl Ressel who was the WWII pigeon corps guy, always told me you don't have to teach a pigeon how to find their way home. To me this looks an awful lot like a way to "teach" the pigeon the way to home. Which in my neck of the woods, on a clear day, a pigeon can see up through the valley 35 miles, so this all seems a bit silly to me. But hey, pigeon guys like to think they are doing something constructive that will influence the outcome of the race.

So, if this "program" will make you feel good, then go ahead and try it. If you want to really test it out, then you would want to employ 3 teams. One team you do this "system", the other team you would employ a more traditional, line of flight, get them down to about 60 - 75 miles about a dozen times, and a couple of times at the first race station. The other control group you keep them at home the whole time and flag fly them for 2 hours+ a day. And then let's look at the race results and see what "system" has really panned out.
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Sure seems like a lot of work to me. What kind of a "real" homing pigeon needs all of this kind of training to "teach" the bird how to find home ?

I had a pair of birds this year that were so called late hatches. Their very first training toss was a 192 mile race, and they did just fine. My original mentor, Earl Ressel who was the WWII pigeon corps guy, always told me you don't have to teach a pigeon how to find their way home. To me this looks an awful lot like a way to "teach" the pigeon the way to home. Which in my neck of the woods, on a clear day, a pigeon can see up through the valley 35 miles, so this all seems a bit silly to me. But hey, pigeon guys like to think they are doing something constructive that will influence the outcome of the race.

So, if this "program" will make you feel good, then go ahead and try it. If you want to really test it out, then you would want to employ 3 teams. One team you do this "system", the other team you would employ a more traditional, line of flight, get them down to about 60 - 75 miles about a dozen times, and a couple of times at the first race station. The other control group you keep them at home the whole time and flag fly them for 2 hours+ a day. And then let's look at the race results and see what "system" has really panned out.
LOL Warren! You think that the one which I posted is a lot of work, and you want me to fly 3 systems with 3 teams? 192 mile training toss? Didn't you use to tell us not to listen to Rotondo because a 1st toss of 50 miles is like throwing babies to the wolves? Can't have it both ways now. I do agree though, it would be a lot of work. My mentor also goes with the theory they don't need to be taught to find home. He told me that he almost never trains, just flags them as you mentioned. Said he would not hesitate sending a bird to a 400 mile race if he had been flag flown and was in shape to go, whether he had been down the road or not. I don't think I would go that far with it, but we get the point. To be completely honest, from an athletes perspective I never liked being forced to do something (this is flag flying for pigeons) but conditioning never bothered me as long as I didn't realize it was conditioning (this is training flights for a pigeon, they are out seeing new areas). Kind of like I don't mind running now as long as the scenery changes, but man I hate running on the tread mill!!!
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Yeah, that's the problem with posting your ideas in a thread like this. People will go back and point out things where it might appear that you just contradicted yourself.

By the next to the last race, we were near the end of October, and so this pair of birds were more mature then the birds would be earlier in the year, when we typically would provide the first training toss. These birds had a lot of good loft flying, so in my judgement, had develped the condition to do the distance. Well....at least that is the story I am telling and I am sticking with the story.

I am reminded of my Dad telling me to do what he says and not what he does, and also to add, "Don't try this at home kids".
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I remember reading about a guy from Canada,that only trains out to TEN miles....And they say he is the one to beat on race day...There are many roads to Rome....But one main thing about training down the road 10 miles,or 110 miles...The quality of the pigeons will be the determining reason why the birds win....Not the training method used....Some old timers who don`t like to drive to far down the road,because of age or health reasons,are STILL hard to beat on race day...When the price of gas went to $3.00 a gallon,I started training South to save $$$$...My birds did better,then when I trained from thye WEST,which is the direction I should train....So the direction of training I think is not as important,as to how much training you should give...I never had 5 to 10 bird drops before in YB races....Now I'm getting them almost every race,by training OFF the line of flight...But as I said above,maybe I"m breeding better birds !!! Alamo
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Hi Guys,
Does anyone have a Henry Sadewater book to sell or know where I could buy one.. have searched a lot online and just can't find one.. to if anyone would like to sell a book I'm fine buying an old book too..

Have always been fascinated with Pigeon eyes..

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