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wahegurubol wahegurubol is offline
Posted 5th October 2007, 08:02 AM
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well the trip wont bea problem, the animal shelter can keep it with them and return it to me.

but it can develop neck tumors by movings its head all the time and rotating it.. i am scared of that u know.

and what about faecus i can get it by cleanings it faecus also, the virus is present in the faecus andi have to clean its cage everyday otherwise the bird and the cage will get all dirty and infection will develop.
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I saw the video too, and the first thing I thought of was PMV as well. You mentioned that he is trying to chase an insect that is not there. I have never seen any pigeons chasing insects before, so that leads me to believe that he is doing the "star gazing" thing. He is a messy eater you also said. Yes, I believe your pigeon rescue does have this . It is common in feral pigeons and is not contagious to humans or other animals only a threat to other pigeons.

You don't have to worry about contacting the disease, but as in handling any animal, it is always wise to wash your hands. Whenever I handle my pigeons, I always wash or sanitize my hands.

I agree that the vet did not introduce your bird to PMV. It got this from another pigeon.

If you are worried about handling the dirty newspapers and getting in contact with the feces. may I suggest you use disposable plastic gloves.

Pidgey, Cyro and feralpigeon are indeed experts here. Please try and follow their advice.
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All you could get is mild conjunctivitis if you rubbed your eyes after handling a pigeon with PMV. I have been treating pigeons with PMV for 7 years and have never been affected in any way.

Those links show how it is transmitted between pigeons. There is no danger to you . While it is with you it is not going to infect any other pigeons. If you take it to an animals shelter they will kill it as it has to be kept apart from other pigeons for 6 weeks.

I am very disappointed .

I should add that DEFRA is the Department of Environment And Rural Affairs. Their concern is the spread of disease between animals. They are not involved with human diseases.

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We have also cared for a number of pigeons with PMV. They stayed in our home for several months until they recovered and were then put in an aviary. We never had a problem with handling them.

Pigeons with PMV, to me, are exceptionally sweet, gentle birds and worth every bit of the extra care they initially need to overcome this illness. All it takes is time.

Thank you so much for the help you're giving it.
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Posted 5th October 2007, 09:17 AM
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hi okay i think i can take your guys advice... yes i will need to get disposable gloves 2morrow....

but i am very scared looking at this pigeon... because it twists its head in impossible ways.. and i feel that it may not get tumor or something... you know... i sometimes cannot see its suffering.

so what exactly does PMV do to the bird. is it like a schizophrenia in a pigeon that suddenly comes up and makes the bird go all weird and then goes off?

so this means that this bird will nevery fly again?

In Kuwait we have a soceity for animals shelter.

there prime duty is to rescue injured animals in kuwait and take care of them and re-home them as pets. they have rescued many dogs, cats with broken bones and diseases and cured them and re-homed them.

they have also resuced a duck and a parrot...

what do you advice??

even with me it is sitting in a big enough cage all day , it eats , sleeps and sits..and does nothing.

and just now when i saw the pigeon it had its head turned backwards and it was upside down

PMV is such bad news for me.. i was dreaming that this bird gonna be pigeon racer, but now all dreams for its flying got shattered... the poor baby.. theres so much suffering in this world

so I assume it will heal by itself if it has to heal? but its symptoms are getting worse day by day.....the major symptoms
1)Not standing straight on its legs, always on the heels
2)Twisting, rotatings its head/neck like anything crazy
3)Doing the star gazing thing at night ... walking in circles , looking upwards and openning its beak.
4)When it tries to fly ..it spins in the air... not somersault.but spinning in the other way like the earth spins.

Do you think I can get PMV when I change its water.. i have to change its drinking water also everyday na !

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PMV is a virus that attacks the nerves that control the muscles. It won't make the bird "crazy" in the mental sense of the word. It just can't control its actions. Just like when you've been leaning on your arm or leg too long and it goes numb. When you try and move that arm or leg, it won't necessarily move when you tell it to until that pins and needles feeling goes away a bit. PMV acts a lot like that, in that the bird is trying to do something -- eat a seed, drink water, but its body won't cooperate. The main reason the virus can kill a bird is that the tremors and lack of muscle control cause the bird to starve because it can't drink or eat properly. The good thing about this disease is that the bird will improve and can regain total or near total muscle control after the virus runs its course.
I'm sure its scary to watch but with all the coaching you get on this board and all the experienced people that can, through the internet, help you, you and your bird friend will do well.
Have you named it yet? Names are nice and this little one needs to know you are its friend. Pigeons are smart and it won't be long before this one will recognize its name.
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I don't hve any experience with PMV birds. But having joined this forum for quite a while, I've noticed that some of the members have PMV birds as pets. They are fun, sweet and just like any other birds who require TLC from their keepers.

Please, do not be afraid of your bird. She may have shattered your dreams but please give her a chance. She needs your loving care. If you read the earlier threads, the condition of PMV birds may improve over time. Please give her time.

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hi thanks for your encouragement. i havent named it yet, because i really wanted this bird to go join its folk out there and that it could enjoy its life socialising with other pigeons and not sit in the cage all day. so far me and my family just calls it "The Pigeon".

So lets hope God blesses this bird ! ..

but the symptoms have got worse each day ! ...

i want to bring to your notice that when the bird displays the symptoms and if i come infront of it.. it gets scared and stops displaying the symptoms....and it then just keeps staring at me.

pls I hope there is no real danger from its faecus !!!
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So lets hope God blesses this bird ! ..



pls I hope there is no real danger from its faecus !!!
I think that God already did by making sure you found it, and then blessing you with this pigeon site.

With PMV, the symptoms do get worse. I imagine it has reached that stage.

The pigeon is probably afraid of you. It is normal for him or her to be afraid of you. It does not understand that your are trying to help it, not yet anyway. But as stated before, pigeons are a very smart bird. It is staring at you because he is probably trying to understand your intentions.

Believe us when we say there is no danger to you with the pigeon droppings (feces). As long as you wash your hands with soap and water after handling the bird or the droppings, you are safe. As Cyro said, do not touch your eye till after you wash your hands.

You are a dedicated human to this pigeon,you call "Pigeon".
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The main question is how long has the bird had this problem for an when did i develop
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The main question is how long has the bird had this problem for an when did i develop
hi Warrie,
to be exact I had found this bird 9 days ago. I was working on a construction site when some workers picked up this bird and then another foreman told to put it outside and not inside.. and then I took it home.

When i brought it home, it wasnt able to fly.. it was normal..perfectly normal. It was very weak, it was not able to eat...but then it started eating canary seeds... and use to fly on table tops also.

I found this problem in the bird this last saturday, about 5 or 6 days from now on... on last friday(7 days ago) i had taken it to the vet and had gave it some medicine.

do you think the medicine did it?
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It probably was just getting the virus when you found it. It takes a few days to a couple of weeks to even a couple of months for most viral infections to show themselves, whether it's a cold, the flu, or something else. That's the "incubation" period. The virus is in the system, but there aren't enough viral particles to cause noticable sypmtoms. Usually the symptoms get worse before they get better but they do get better.

The virus has to run its course. There are no antibotics to "cure" a viral infection but there are some other bacterial infections that are sensitive to antibotics that may start up at the same time just because someone (in this case, Pigeon) is run-down from the virus.

If the vet gave you some medicines, it's better to keep going on those to prevent those secondary infections from becoming a real problem. The medicines didn't cause the problems, unless it was a weird medicine.

Like Victor said, it's looking at you because it is trying to figure out if you are friendly but it may also stare at you because that's the only way it can manage its head right now. When you move or otherwise startle it, Pigeon will move in reflex and that is what sets off all these tremors right now. Its brain is saying "move away" or "eat seeds" but its muscles aren't following directions very well so everything moves.
What this little bird needs for you to do is give it supportive care, make sure it stays safe and make sure it's getting enough to eat and drink while those tasks are hard for it to manage -- oh yes, and the cleaning up too. Just like a baby.
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wahegurubol wahegurubol is offline
Posted 5th October 2007, 10:58 AM
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hi
I was just reading about PMV on the internet and it says that a proportion of birds die..but those that survive will always nervous disorders... so this means do they remain partially handicap for the rest of their lifes?
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A lot of the descriptions that you get are for commercially raised birds within loft-type housing. What that often means is that due to the amount of birds within house, the individual exposure for each bird gets magnified to a horrific degree and the symptoms in such cases are often far worse. For a single bird out in the open, it's often far less. Also, it's far more practical to heal a single bird than to deal with hundreds or thousands in the large captive flock situation.

Yes, they can remain affected for the remainder of their lives but they can usually fly and be pretty normal. The symptoms that you're seeing right now should diminish drastically in time.

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I found this problem in the bird this last saturday, about 5 or 6 days from now on... on last friday(7 days ago) i had taken it to the vet and had gave it some medicine.

do you think the medicine did it?

Hi wahegunubol,


What was the Medicine the Vet provided you, or, which the Vet gave to the Pigeon?


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