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Posted 2nd June 2019, 12:02 AM
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I keep it on the table.. so his head is approx my chest level.
Hold the pea in the fingers of right hand, and try to open the beak with left.
It was much easier earlier when it was weak, and disinterested, as it would not move its neck much. just rest it on its crop.
Now it holds its neck high.. keeps looking around observing new things. Was observing my mobile phone as it rung for the longest time yesterday while feeding it.

The Peas are soggy If I leave in the box and the bird poops on them.. then it will get contaminated. Or even leaving them outside wil contaminite them as they are soggy.

Ill fig something.
Just fed it 35-38 peas.. and its drowsy after consuming peas.
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Posted 2nd June 2019, 12:11 AM
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Only put a few peas in a small bowl. How big is the box you are keeping him in? Does he have a perch (a brick for ex)? Put this in the 1 corner of the box and the bowl in the other corner. Pigeons like to perch and at least he will spend time away from the food bowl. Replace the peas if necessary.

He will need to learn to eat by himself eventually. Things will be much easier for both of you when he does.
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Posted 2nd June 2019, 12:51 AM
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This is the box in which its mother originally laid 2 egss..
I decided not to change it, as I thought the mother would return once I clean it and change the grass and put back the baby.

Pic of Box : http://www.imagebam.com/image/4244081239494774

I cant help but wonder, how did this baby get canker. Did it happen because I cleant the box?


> When I first went to clean the box, the baby was healthy. its Base was almost pink. It was ROUND AS A Tennis Ball. It had a Bulging FAT CROP like an owl.
In a weeks time the mother would sleep few feet away from the box, as the baby grew fat and big in 8-10 days. I found it strange as a 7-10day old baby would need the warmth and protection of mother.
The mother did feed it regularly, I would see.

> the other egg didnt hatch and was rotting from inside. I accidentally broke it - away from the baby and box, while cleaning the box.. sealed in a plastic bag and threw it.. cleant the area where it broke with dis-infectants.

> That evening mother didnt return.
So I hunted google and youtube and decided to feed defrosted Corn, Carrots and Peas.
It seemed fine Next day. Mother had returned fed itself but would not feed the baby. Again the baby was alone in the evening.. no trace of mother.

>So that evening I checked youtube and decided to feed it chopped apple about a TBSP.

> And next day again the mother would not feed the baby.

Thats when I took matter in my hands ... took it to 3 vets. I opened its beak to check for canker.. and there was nothing.. possibly a tiny pink dot.. i didnt think it was anything.
The very next day i opened its beak again, as it had lost lot of weight & I noticed 2 white dots and assumed canker, and immediately started metro after reading up.

So did the healthy baby have canker all along ? or was it me feeding it corn, carrot and apples that caused this ? I think i changed its diet.. as it was primarily fed on Rice & bird seeds I would keep near the nest along with water.
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Posted 2nd June 2019, 03:40 AM
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The box is fine. Just put a small bowl of peas in the one corner. Stress can cause canker, it's possible this whole experience caused the canker. It's quite a common disease amongst young pigeons.

Don't feel guilty about it, you didnt know and is busy setting things wright.
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Posted 2nd June 2019, 06:44 AM
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Ok, It now has learnt to climb out of the box by itself.

> 9:30am gave it 30mg approx meditrich. It didnt get drowsy today.
When i checked on it 3 hours later.. it had pooped a lot.. Mostly solid green paste with little yogurt. It doesnt look Yellow.. it doesnt look white either...
Pic : http://www.imagebam.com/image/4309731239706524

> At 2:30pm Fed it with peas.. Its dodging peas for sure. Its become very difficult to feed peas now. Ive linked a video today.. of how difficult its got to feed it peas.
Vid :https://youtu.be/VYlYswgZv-o

On the other hand, its started to peck my fingers..
It also pecks stains on the table thinking they are grains or pellets.
But avoids pecking peas at all costs.

So should I attempt sprinkling some Rice/Millets/grains close to it ?
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Posted 2nd June 2019, 06:55 AM
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He is looking good, well done! He is associating your hands with food. Next time you feed him, keep the pea between your fingers and "tease" him. Don't feed him, rather let him peck at the pea.

You can leave some small seeds with him and then play with the seeds by using your fingers. Push them around, pick some up and drop them again. He will copy what your fingers does. When he starts eating seeds, he will need to drink some water as well.

Droppings also look good, although urates still yellow. Have you checked inside the beak lately?
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Posted 2nd June 2019, 08:07 AM
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Yep,
its definitely the father. keeps coming back to feed junior.
Its not left the balcony and keeps circling the window.
It scares the other pigeons off the balcony.

Im not allowing it to feed junior.
Vid: https://youtu.be/yidirT15LCY

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He is associating your hands with food. Next time you feed him, keep the pea between your fingers and "tease" him. Don't feed him, rather let him peck at the pea.
I keep doing it.. and continue doing it till it starts pecking.
It saw its father peck.. and it started pecking straw and tissue in the balcony.
I removed the tissue pieces off its mouth.

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You can leave some small seeds with him and then play with the seeds by using your fingers. Push them around, pick some up and drop them again. He will copy what your fingers does. When he starts eating seeds, he will need to drink some water as well.
>Any seeds in particular ?
I sprinkle Rice and Lentils and Red milets but it doesnt attempt pecking those at all. Such a picky child!

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Droppings also look good, although urates still yellow. Have you checked inside the beak lately?
Could yellowish droppings indicate low on Calcium, Vitamins or minerals ?

I check inside the beak every 24 hours for progress..
In 3-4 hours ill check and update
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Posted 2nd June 2019, 08:23 AM
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You know, for his longterm survival, it's always better to be raised by his parents. They will show him where to find food, water etc.

Why don't you let the dad continue to feed him? Then you only need to get the meds into him every morning before he is getting fed by the dad. As long as he is safe on the balcony. How many days has he been on the metro?

The yellow urates is a symptom of canker, the disease affects the liver. When the urates have turned white, then you know he is getting healthy.
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Posted 2nd June 2019, 08:35 AM
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You know, for his longterm survival, it's always better to be raised by his parents. They will show him where to find food, water etc.
Yes that is my intent. Once junior is healthy, then leave him back with his parent(s).

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Why don't you let the dad continue to feed him?
Because im afraid it'll contract some other disease as he is low on immunity.
After the mother flew away, it was the father that fed him .. and next day this baby stopped eating altogether.

Ive read on these forums, most adult pigeons are carriers of many bacteria, virus, parasites and other disease causing germs. But they have some how gotten immune to it, and its usually the babies that get infected.
So im afraid now that its on antibiotics, it may contract something else and things may go down hill again!!
Im just waiting till it gets better.

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How many days has he been on the metro?
Today is the third day on metro.
Total 4 doses of metro
Day 1 = 2 doses
Day 2 = 1 Dose
Day 3 = today = 1 dose.

2 days on Nystatin.
Total 4 doses.

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The yellow urates is a symptom of canker, the disease affects the liver. When the urates have turned white, then you know he is getting healthy.
Got it. Thanks !!

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Posted 2nd June 2019, 10:24 AM
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I know you have good intentions with this baby. But if you keep on preventing the dad to feed him, the dad will eventually lose interest and leave and not bother with him anymore.

Junior might become very tame. You will need to do a soft release from your balcony, meaning you will need to keep on putting out food for him after he has left. You will need to wait till he is about 2 months old before releasing. The chances are big he might not return and not knowing where to find food (no parents to teach him) he might not survive. He will be chased by other pigeons (including his dad that won't recognize him anymore).

So it will be difficult for him out there, competing on the street with other older pigeons.

Yes, he might be exposed to bad bacteria etc, but they do build up immunity. My point is: for longterm survival, let the parents to their thing.

Another 7 days of treatment, maybe few more if necessary and he will be healthy again.
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Posted 2nd June 2019, 12:44 PM
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I know you have good intentions with this baby. But if you keep on preventing the dad to feed him, the dad will eventually lose interest and leave and not bother with him anymore.

Junior might become very tame. You will need to do a soft release from your balcony, meaning you will need to keep on putting out food for him after he has left. You will need to wait till he is about 2 months old before releasing. The chances are big he might not return and not knowing where to find food (no parents to teach him) he might not survive. He will be chased by other pigeons (including his dad that won't recognize him anymore).

So it will be difficult for him out there, competing on the street with other older pigeons.

Yes, he might be exposed to bad bacteria etc, but they do build up immunity. My point is: for longterm survival, let the parents to their thing.

Another 7 days of treatment, maybe few more if necessary and he will be healthy again.
Got it..
I have to resume work in the next 3 days. So hopefully by 3rd day.. Ill keep him out in a box or cage.. and observe from far.

& ofcourse.. keep a daily check on poop
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Posted 2nd June 2019, 02:54 PM
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Update


6pm: Gave a dose of Nystatin.

7:15pm : Fed it with 40+ peas. It seemed fine. It pooped Twice while feeding it. Poop was Clear Liquid with green matter and white urates. Yes this one looks white.
Pic : http://www.imagebam.com/image/5d140c1240146454

8pm : put it to sleep, as i was leaving.

10:30 pm : it was asleep.. but woke up as soon as i went to check on it.
Had pooped alright. Much lesser than usual. Urates now were not as white as earlier.
Pic : http://www.imagebam.com/image/26a1461240146484

Update on Canker.
I think its reduced. I cant get a clear look inside the mouth any more, camera pic is close to impossible.. Junior is very active.. and moves a lot. I just cant get it to stay still any more.

Progress Pic : http://www.imagebam.com/image/48f2d51240146524

11:30 pm fed it with 25+ peas. It took 40 mins this time.
It twists and turns it neck, dances his legs, bends jumps.. flaps its wings. Impossible to get a hold of its beak open.
I fear of twisting its neck or dislocating its beak. Trying to be as gentle as possible.

it pecks my fingers.. I sprinkled rice before feeding it peas. It cant seem to get a grip of the grains. It wont even attempt to peck on peas.
After dabbing the tip of the beak in water.. it now finally sips water .. much better than before. But needs that dabing constantly. Wont drink by itself.


Question
> Which seeds or grains should I start keeping in the box for it to learn pecking ?

> It needs to gain weight, and feathers.. that fell or it plucked off itself.. while sick. The area between the back of its neck and shoulders has no feathers, can see the skin. Is that normal ?
Is there anything I should do ?

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Posted 3rd June 2019, 12:32 AM
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update : day 4


The bird was up much before me. It had pooped a lot.. most of it dried up .. so cant make much of it.
Ive slept more peacefully last night since the last few days.

7:15am : Nystatin 0,3ml

8,15am : I got it water.. and dabbed it once.. it sipped water readily. dipped its entire beak in it for a few seconds.. then got out.. and did it again.
I was very happy..

8:30 fed it peas about 35-40.
It still shows dis-interest in peas. But opens its beak when i attempt to feed it.. and runs away after 30 peas.. the last 10 were a painful task

Poop : immediately after 20 peas.

Looks Green in clear liquid with yellow and white urates both ? cannot make out easily..

Pic : http://www.imagebam.com/image/d106e51240546844
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Posted 3rd June 2019, 04:10 AM
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You're doing a great job. Try to get a dove mixture seed for him to start eating. They always learn to pick up the small round seeds first.
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Posted 3rd June 2019, 05:24 AM
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update : day 4


Alright, will get the dove mixture seeds this evening.

10am : Metro time. It did not sleep at all
2pm : Green Peas..
Had a look at the poop..
Urates look pretty white to me

Pic : http://www.imagebam.com/image/1f0d5e1240786064


I will observe the urates in the eveining again.. If they continue to be white, should I continue with medication?
Both nystatin and meditrich ?
0,3ml and 30mg ?
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