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Hekie Hekie is offline
Posted 8th February 2019, 08:57 AM
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Colombina Colombina is offline
Posted 10th February 2019, 07:23 AM
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Thanks for sharing the photos and videos.

Have you treated her against parasites? If not, a product containing permethrin ( spray or a powder) would be good.

I read that you were looking for flight suits, I have never tried them so I can't give you a personal opinion (I know some people love them, other hate them).
I just want to say that I know that there is a distributor in France:

https://www.flightquarters.com/bird-...customers.html

You could ask him if he has the ones for pigeons and if he can send them to Spain. I suppose delivery time would be shorter.

About me, I cover what needed with paper, plastic tablecloth and painting plastic sheets. If you need any suggestion, feel free to ask 😄.
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Posted 11th February 2019, 04:28 AM
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Hi Colombina, yes she's been treated against parasites. The vet always does it, and I've got some of the external spray now at home as well. She had a tablet for internal parasites at the first vet visit, and I've sprayed her wings as well. I'll check with him whether to do it again before I release her - I think that it will be soon.

The flight suits actually arrived today! I only ordered them 9am Friday, US Eastern time (3pm Barcelona) and they arrived Monday morning. I paid for the fast shipping but I didn't think that it would be this fast. They also sent me two free ones which is fantastic I have three different sizes so if they work, it will be good for baby pigeons and adults. I attach a picture. I may try with Persephone or I may wait until the next pigeon. Right now, since she can go outside on the harness, it's not so important that she flies inside the house and I don't want to cause her too much stress.
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Posted 11th February 2019, 04:29 AM
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Posted 11th February 2019, 07:08 AM
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Glad to know that your vet always treats birds against parasites, even my vet always does it!

The shipping was really fast! When you will try them, please let me know if they work. I'm curious 😊.
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Posted 12th February 2019, 07:08 AM
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A common mistake is to assume that yeast or fungal infection can be remedied with antibiotics, but antibiotics wipe out bacterial colonies that control the growth of fungal colonies. Stay away from suspecting something and trying to play doctor by prescribing without understanding the biology of what you're treating and what the results of your selected treatment would be on the patient's biology.

I agree that course of topical antibiotics (eye drops) would be a good call for the eye infection, as this was an emergency, and the infection was adjacent to the brain. But amoxicillin is a very powerful broad-spectrum antibiotic that's rarely warranted, even for humans. Generally speaking, it's best not to be liberal about using antibiotics for any changes that you may notice in the patient. This would create an environment that would be more suitable for fungal colonies to flourish.

Congratulations on using a harness. Pigeons that are raised by humans from a very early stage (like Persephone) will never be good candidates for release. They are dependant (and they will be for the next 20 or so years) but the care that's required is worth it. I never take mine out without a harness. I learned my lessons about that the hard way. No matter how adaptable and intelligent (they are) pigeons seem, they are game birds - prey for cats, rodents, and birds of prey. Even groups of crows (who ar not birds of prey) will go after a domesticated or tamed pigeon.

You're doing a great job with your Persephone. Love her a lot. When she becomes a "teenage" pigeon she will become unbearable for a couple months, but once she begins laying eggs (if she's a she!), then she'll be much sweeter - although you'll have to keep tabs on calcium intake, and make sure that she never has any egg-binding because that's generally 24 hour death sentence of you don't catch it on time. But egg laying is at least 6 months away for Persephone if she's a she. (I thought my Chancey was a he - until she laid an egg two years later).

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Posted 12th February 2019, 12:47 PM
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Colombina, I will 🙂 I'm not sure whether I'll try them with Persephone or wait until I have a new pigeon resident, but I think I may try with her. I'm working from home tomorrow so it may be possible. I'll let you know.

navamanas, thanks for your post and the kind words/good vibes for Persephone ❤️ On the topic of antibiotics, I'm not sure if I said in this thread but I'm not going on feelings here before giving anything - the vet diagnosed Coriza (Spanish word, can't get a clear English translation) and prescribed Marbofloxacin and eye drops; she's not on amoxicillin. He's an avian vet and has good experience, and in fact the other pigeon person I know here in Spain had already suggested that it might be Coriza prior to his diagnosis because she's dealt with it with pigeons here. It's apparently a broad spectrum antibiotic based on what I read online and I don't know anything about it. It seems to have really done the trick; she has cleared up massively. There's a tiny bit of nasal discharge continuing but her eyes are perfect, and she's growing a lot of feathers suddenly. My pigeon friend was saying that birds with Coriza (maybe when gwbwrallt unwell?) don't grow feathers while they're unwell, so I take this as a good sign.

We're back to the vet in the morning and my suspicion is that he'll say she's pretty much clear of the respiratory infection, but we'll see. I haven't cleaned her eyes in days, she's flying, and other than the minor nasal discharge seems fine. The concern I raised about the yeast infection related to watery poops but I think that was either the meds or an adjustment to the new diet. Her poops have been normal for the past few days 🙂

The harness has been a great tool and I will continue to use it to give her time to socialise and fly. I do plan to release her, and I know there is a strong opinion that this is not possible for birds who've been homed young. I appreciate your opinion and others, but I will decide what is best for her ultimately. I can't keep her, so the options are finding her a home with someone else or releasing her. I won't take either decision lightly.

I have a default for assuming that my pigeons are female because the vast majority of people talk about unknown-sexed-animals as male, which really pisses me off! It's a pet peeve. I know she could be a he. I named the last pigeon with a male name because I got a "vibe" but the others have all been given female names. Only in one case have I been sure of the sex - I had a bird I thought was female but the (male) vet said it was a male. I thought it was ridiculous because without seeing them do the mating ritual, an egg, or DNA testing, it's next to impossible to be sure. But he was so sure that I named my friend Lorenzo. Well, come to find out that little Lorenzo arrived in his new home after 11 hours on the road and the first thing that happened when "he" was put with the other pigeons was that one of the boys danced for "him" 🙄 So yeah, Lorenzo was Lorenza. I knew it. It's not scientific, but my birds are girls unless I get a feeling or proof otherwise.
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You said she was given a tablet for internal parasites. Once isn't enough. They would need to be treated again in 3 weeks for worms. The first time you don't get the eggs, just the worms. Three weeks later the eggs are hatched, so you need to worm again then, before they can grow and have more eggs. You always worm again.
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Posted 21st February 2019, 12:17 PM
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Colombina, I forgot to mention that I tried a flightsuit one night and it worked super well! Persephone managed fine and at the end of the trial there was a lovely poop in her nappy 😂 I only tried it one time because I don't want to overly domesticate her. It's great to know that I can have a pigeon flying around inside without worrying about the poop.

I attach a pic of her in her "jeans."
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Posted 21st February 2019, 12:19 PM
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And this photo is from today. She's grown a lot of feathers, especially on her head. She doesn't have many yellow feathers left now.
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Thanks for the photos and for sharing your experience with the flight suit, Hekie 😊! It's interesting to know that it worked super well!!!
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