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Posted 19th March 2019, 03:00 PM
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Hi all,

I just found a pigeon with a hole in what looks like its crop. It's an open wound and isn't bleeding (now - there is dry blood), but doesn't look good. Pretty sure it's a dog bite. Edited to add: it's not a dog bite, it's likely a seagull attack. Is this type of wound something survivable?
Does anyone have experience with this type of injury?

The bird is warm and in the dark. I've given him some pain relief but don't have anything else at hand. I'm not cleaning the wound because it's a literal hole and I don't know what's coming out of it. The bird is semi-alert - easy to catch, struggled a fair bit when I was holding him, but one eye is closed.

I've contacted my usual avian vet who is very good with pigeons and he will hopefully see us in the morning if he's available (12 hrs from now) if the bird survives the night. Right now, I'm not too hopeful about that.

I've previously only had birds with broken wings, legs or infections. No idea if they can fix something like this. I've asked the vet in my message whether euthanasia tonight might be kinder but of course I don't want to do that, I just don't want him to suffer if there's nothing to be done. I haven't taken a photo of the wound which would help here and for the vet, but I don't want to disturb the poor thing again.

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Posted 19th March 2019, 03:29 PM
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I’ve cared for several birds with ruptured crops. It just needs to be cleaned and stitched up. The bird might need supportive care, at the very least he will need to be fed small portions several times a day. You’ll want to closely monitor hydration and crop motility.
Id probably only euthanize if there’s too much damages tissue to close the wound, or the bird is too weak to survive the procedure. If the crop isn’t punctured, you probably just need to clean it and give him antibiotics. Spinal trauma is a possibility but we can’t tell without an exam.

It’s great that you’re taking him to the vet, he’ll be able to help much more than we can.
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Posted 19th March 2019, 03:59 PM
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Thank you, that's really good to know that they can survive this. There may well be other injuries but I hope not. I just got a reply from the vet and we've got a 9:30am appointment so I'll hope that he'll make it through the night. I've named him Gael. I just checked on him and he's on one of the USB heating pads I recently bought and they seem to be working well. They're new, so I hope they keep working all night.

The actual injury looked fairly gruesome. I didn't look too closely to be honest, but I'm reasonably sure I saw a piece of corn so I think the crop is open. I feed the flock in the area (with corn in the mix) so it's almost certainly one of mine though not one of the few I recognise. Poor wee thing.

Conveniently, I'm working from home tomorrow so getting to the vet and any meds/food etc can be dealt with more easily than other days of the week. This is my fourth this year though, it's ridiculous. The first two died and I released the other one two weeks ago, after five weeks with us. It's usually about one injured pigeon every four months but the first three months of this year have been terrible for them.

Anyway, thank you for letting me know there's hope. I wasn't looking so much for vet advice but more to see if others had seen pigeons survive similar types of injuries. I hope he makes it to the vet and then we'll really see what can be done.
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Posted 19th March 2019, 04:16 PM
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Hi Hekie!

I have too more than one experience with holes in the crop.

Last summer I rescued an adult dove badly injured by a predator (probably a seagull), she had bad holes in her crop (and other wounds on her body)

The vet had to stitch it up. I had to give her an oral antibiotic for 13 days. I also had to disinfect the wounds (I used Éosine 2%) then apply an antibiotic cream for 13 days twice a day.

I had to feed her soft food for 2/3 days (I left her available some biscuits and gave her baby bird formula. This is how I gave it to her: I made small balls having the size of small peas - not too hard not too soft - with bird formula and water and I hand fed them).

The vet told me to daily monitor the holes in the crop (you have to be sure that nothing spill out from them) and the other wounds.

At the end of the antibiotic treatment I gave her vitamins and probiotics.

Anyway, let us know something after the visit, I really hope that Gael survives the night.

Ps: have you released Perséfone in that park?
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Posted 19th March 2019, 06:17 PM
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Hekie, thank you for helping the poor bird. Hope he does ok. Pigeons are tough. Our first beloved Phoebe had a broken wing and was nearly decapitated but she recovered and was a happy and beloved bird for eight more years. Please keep us posted.
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Thank you both for your posts, that is really comforting to hear. Gael has survived the night! I'm so pleased. The vet appointment is in one hour. He has been moving around in the night and sitting on the heating pads and standing. I think he may have had some of the water as well (it has sugar and salt in it). This one is strong. I will update after the appointment but I hope he will survive.

Colombina, hi [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.pigeons.biz/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] Funnily enough, just before I read your post I realised that a seagull attack was much more likely than a dog. I suspect that is what has happened. Just last week I saw a seagull pull an adult pigeon out of a wall where the pigeons live, kill it and eat nearly the whole thing. It was horrible. I only saw it once before and it's made me so worried for Perséfone.

Yes, I released her! But near my house in the end. I took her to the park to fly and socialise but the pigeons there weren't very friendly to her and I was worried about the experience we had, so I decided to release her where she was familiar. It was on International Women's Day (March 8 ). She socialised with other pigeons and stayed near me for about 10 minutes and then did her first solo long flight and she went reeeeeeally far. I was very impressed. Then, by complete coincidence, I was walking with my cat at the other end of the neighbourhood an hour later and I saw her again [IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.pigeons.biz/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.pigeons.biz/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG][IMG class=inlineimg]https://www.pigeons.biz/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] She was with all the other pigeons in the second flock near my apartment. I haven't seen her since then, even though I've looked. I hope she found another flock close by and is OK.

I've been trying to catch another injured pigeon in my flock but I haven't been successful. She has strong around her foot and the leg has become useless. She's one of the only pigeons I recognise because I see her a lot and she has distinctive markings. I'm so sad about it, but I just haven't been able to catch her and help her. Now, this little guy has turned up. Maybe he will be OK. Let's hope so.

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Posted 20th March 2019, 03:18 AM
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I'm coming back from the vet now. Gael is surprisingly strong in spite of his injury. A real fighter. He also has a peck in the eye which is why one eye was mostly closed, but his wings and legs seem fine.

He'll stay at the vet - David (vet) will operate today and then assuming it goes OK, will keep Gael for at least a couple of days. The biggest risk is infection, as others have already said. It's a big hole, and the vet isn't optimistic but as he said, he will try his best and he likes a lost cause and always has. Gael is in good hands.

Please keep your fingers crossed for him. It turns out he is only a baby. I couldn't tell in the dark last night as I mostly just settled him in and left him.
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Have my fingers crossed for Gael. Hope he is all better soon.
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Posted 20th March 2019, 12:22 PM
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I've heard from the vet. Gael has had surgery and is alive, but the vet isn't optimistic. As we could see, there's a large piece of skin torn away which was difficult to fix. Please keep hoping for him. He's really done amazingly well to survive all of this, but the odds aren't in his favour. At least he's got pain relief and if he goes in the night, he's warm and not in pain. I hate the thought of it, though. He's really spunky and has fought so hard until now.
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Posted 20th March 2019, 04:55 PM
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Am hoping for the best for Gael and you.
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Posted 20th March 2019, 05:12 PM
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Thank you, I appreciate the good thoughts.
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Sorry for the late reply, Hekie. I had a busy, tiring and stressful day...

Thanks for the update. I really hope that Gael can make it and recover well. Even my dove was in a bad condition (I got scared when I saw her wounds and holes) but recovered well from her physical injuries (she is still traumatized even if, little by little, she is making some progress) so I want to be optimistic. My birds and I are keeping the fingers crossed!

In France I saw too from my balcony seagulls chasing and eating pigeons... I know they are predators, it's in their nature but it was terrible... My vet told me that he often has to care (or to try to care) about pigeons attacked by seagulls..

I'm glad to know that Perséfone release was successful, I really hope she is fine and maybe found a boyfriend. Hope you can see her again!

I'm sorry you couldn't catch the other pigeon...unfortunately sometimes it's really hard or impossible to catch them... In France (at least in the city where I live) there are a lots of pigeons missing toes, a foot (or even both...) because people discard on the ground plastic threads, fishing lines, etc... I often have to pick them up and throw them away... I have a friend who does the same... Do you have the same problem in Spain? Btw here I posted a petition asking to prohibit the sale of trash bags having a plastic string instead of handles.

https://www.pigeons.biz/forums/#/topics/111201?page=1

Anyway, I really really hope that Gael will recover soon! I know you have an excellent vet but if you need any advice feel free to ask. I cared about another dove who had a hole in his crop and others injuries. I found him in the parking of an Italian supermarket, a car hit him. He recovered well but became blind in one eye.

Keep us updated.

PS: the pigeon in the photo is Geordi, my blind pigeon.
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Oh I forgot to ask... What bad experience did you have? You mentioned it when you talked about Perséfone release. Sorry for the question, I'm just curious 🙄...

Any update from your vet?
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Posted 21st March 2019, 09:37 AM
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Gael is doing well! The vet was really surprised. He's a fighter, this one. He is still in danger, especially from infection. He will stay at the vet for now. I was super happy when the vet called me.

I will post more later, thanks for your messages Colombina. I wanted to let everyone know that for now, he is alive and trying to stay that way.
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Posted 21st March 2019, 12:33 PM
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Great news 😊, thanks so much for the update! I hope he will be soon out of danger!
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