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Posted 28th June 2007, 09:10 AM
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My baby dove turned purple.


I have a pair of white doves that hatched 2 babies on June 12. Last Sunday I noticed that the smaller one looked odd, it was breathing faster than the bigger one and when I picked it up it looked purple instead of pink like its sibling, also there was a click noise every time it breathed. I made my husband (he is a small animal veterinarian) look at it when he got home and he had me start giving sulfa-trim and nystatin (he aslo ran a fecal which was negative). I gave those until last night when my husband noticed the baby looked worse. He picked it up and it was cool to the touch. He said to quit the sulfa and switch to Baytril injectable and put a heating pad under half the nest (with the thermostat set to 85). I did that and it is warm today but the color has not improved. The parents are still feeding it (although not as much as the sibling) and it is holding its weight (but not gaining). It seems to have halted development. Its sibling is almost fully feathered and is getting in and out of the nest but this one looks the same as it did when I first noticed the illness. My husband is going to run another fecal test but is not optimistic about the baby's recovery.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
thanks
-V.
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Posted 28th June 2007, 09:14 AM
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I wouldnt know anythign about that, but if you posted pictures, other could come along and help.
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Posted 28th June 2007, 09:20 AM
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Did your husband use the word "cyanotic" to describe the darkened color? There are a few things that can give them respiratory distress, some of which Baytril will help with. One thing that can help diagnostically is to count the breaths per minute and compare those of the healthy nestling with the bad one. If it's a respiratory infection, one thing that your husband may be able or set up to do is give it a series of nebulized treatments of Gentamicin and saline. This would be done in a box like an aquarium. Ask him if he's equipped for that.

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Posted 28th June 2007, 09:21 AM
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It wouldn't interfere with the Baytril, by the way.

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Posted 28th June 2007, 09:23 AM
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Just out of curiosity, can you hear any rasping or wheezing? Did he listen to the bird's back with a pediatric stethoscope? Does the bird make any vocalizations that are significantly different from the other one?

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Posted 28th June 2007, 09:41 AM
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Sometimes canker has a respiratory impact in addition to other sites. You could
also do a "cocktail" mix of Baytril, Metronidazole, and Doxyclycline to cover all
bases. This mix is well tolerated in my experience. The Doxyclycline has a doubled
dose as the loading dose for 72 hours.

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Posted 28th June 2007, 10:18 AM
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Question

I'll try to get some pix today.
no he did not specifically say cyanotic
Yes he has a nebulizer he can bring home from the office, I will ask if he is willing to but he is in meetings all day today and won't be at the office again until tomorow so it would be tomorow night before we could do that.
I have doxycycline tablets here, could I crush/mix w water or cherry syrup? (would ask husband but in meetings so i can't talk to him unless he calls me).
My book (Veterinary Drug Handbook, 2nd edition, Donald C. plum) shows several dosages for Doxy but all are listed for the treatment of Psittacosis in psittacines: 25mg/kg bid, 50mg/kg sid, 17.6-26.4mg/kg bid
which to use?

Will definitely talk to husband (JEFF BTW) when he gets home.

thanx!
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I have doxycycline tablets here, could I crush/mix w water or cherry syrup? .....

thanx!
-V.
25mg's per kg of body weight twice daily is the listing I have for Pigeons.
Do you have this in the tablet form for pigeons from MedPet?? Do you also
have Metronidazole?

BTW, I'm pulling the dose rate from the Formuary in Clinical Avian Medicine.

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Posted 28th June 2007, 10:25 AM
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the dose i show for metronidazole is 50 mg/kg sid X 5 days, sound good?
can't get any until tomorrow night though
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the dose i show for metronidazole is 50 mg/kg sid X 5 days, sound good?
can't get any until tomorrow night though
Perhaps you can get some from a pet store.
Most that carry fish supplies have a product called, FISHZOLE. The ingredient is metronidazole 250mg tabs.
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the dose i show for metronidazole is 50 mg/kg sid X 5 days, sound good?
can't get any until tomorrow night though
There's a huge range of dosing for Metronidazole in this same formulary. The
pigeons are being listed for 200mg's per kilogram of body weight but the
ratings for these references are 1. Published Without Reference and 2. Anecdotal.

I believe that Merck's shows the dosing for pigeons at 60mg's per kg. You should be fine in that range of 50-60 mg's per kg for 5 days.

I have a 3week old baby that couldn't lift it's head when first arriving on this
mixture right now, Doxy, Baytril and Metronidazole. The little one is giving
me wing slaps these days.

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Posted 28th June 2007, 04:46 PM
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The picture of both of them is to demonstrate the disparity in size, they both hatched the same day.

The other two pix are an attempt to show the purple hue to the skin.
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You might want to keep the two separated as you dont' know for sure what is wrong w/the little one.

Were you able to procure Metronidazole?

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I think this little cutie needs some oxygen.
I wonder if congenital malformations of the heart does happen in birds.

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Whatever it is, it's been going on for a long time (relatively speaking--he's had a short life so far). Diagnostically, that's why I asked specifically about the vocalizations and possible tattletale upper respiratory noises. At this point, I'd be hoping that there are, instead of something more insidious like that.

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