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Andrew2007 Andrew2007 is offline
Posted 8th June 2019, 02:49 PM
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Hi

I've had a young pigeon for 4 or 5 week's now and I was just going to slow release him, but he's been sitting on his perch for a couple of day's now and he's all puffed up, he's eating and drinking but that has reduced, his poo is very dark green containing some undigested seed, yesterday there appeared to be some vomit on his perch which was basically seed binded together with a clear liquid.

Two of my other birds are also puffed up, that appeared to coincide with me replacing their egg's with false one's after which they soon abandoned them so I assumed that them being puffed up was just a state of depression that would pass but it hasn't. It's difficult isolating poo sample's for those two as I have two other birds that appear to be fine.

No visible canker or yeast in their mouth's/ throat's. I've been giving them a probiotic, prebiotic and multivitamin the last few days. I also gave them a Harker's 3 in 1 tablet last night.

I realise that the 3 in 1 treatment isn't thought of as being as effective as individual treatments but with me not knowing what specifically to treat for I thought it would be worth a go and better than not doing anything.

'Harkers 3 in 1 tablets are a single dose treatment for coccidiosis, canker and worms in racing pigeons'.

Any ideas?

Thanks
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Posted 8th June 2019, 04:17 PM
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Hi, give him electrolytes for 3 days that will help for loose droppings when ever you have birds have loose droppings never medicate them try the electrolytes first Beachwood

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Posted 9th June 2019, 03:40 AM
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It probably doesn't doesn't come across in the photo but his poo isn't watery, the poo has accumulated beneath his perch and what urates there are have leached into the newspaper.

Here's a better photo, he's also vomited more seed this morning.
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Posted 9th June 2019, 05:55 AM
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Someone on a Facebook suggested that it looks like Young Bird Sickness, he said to remove the food for 24 hour's and then use a light depurative feed.

I just don't know.

What I have learnt in the last couple of year's is that it's not at all easy making a diagnosis even when you have scoured the internet all day looking for information.
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Posted 9th June 2019, 06:40 AM
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Hi, squeeze the birds breast if it feels like it is full of water it is young bird sickness, probably the adeno virus. Beachwood
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Posted 9th June 2019, 07:29 AM
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Vomiting and undigested seeds in the droppings can be a sign of canker and yeast. Have you checked in the back of his throat for any yellowish growths?
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Posted 9th June 2019, 09:18 AM
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I felt the breast's and it didn't feel as if they were full of water, but he hasn't got much weight on him.

I couldn't see any canker or yeast Marina
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Posted 9th June 2019, 09:39 AM
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Canker is not always present as yellow growths. Any other symptoms? Losing feathers on breast area, drinking lots of water, making rotating movements with the crop? If you can't take him to a vet, treat for canker and yeast. Canker is very common amongst young pigeons and very easy to treat.
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Posted 9th June 2019, 12:43 PM
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Marina, I filled up his water bowl to the brim seven hour's ago so I can check his intake but it hasn't gone down, no other symptoms. Just some small poo's in the same consistently as those shown in the second photo.

Should I give him some water into his crop?

I do have some canker medication but nothing for yeast.
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Posted 9th June 2019, 05:28 PM
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There is no point in us trying to diagnosis this through pictures. Anything anyone comes up with will be a guess. Any vet can do a crop swab and fecal, you just have to find one that’s willing to learn. Read up on the crop swab and diagnosing canker before hand and tell them exactly what you want done.
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Posted 10th June 2019, 12:42 AM
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Wouldn't I be right in saying that most vet's would send off any sample's to be tested?

I've used a laboratory before that'll test samples and prescribe any necessary medicine's so I'll read up about doing a crop swab as I already have a testing kit, I'll send them off myself straight to the laboratory.
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I’ve never had a vet send them off, unless they want to do a culture, but even then they take a look first. Yeast, canker and parasites are easy to diagnose with a microscope.
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Posted 11th June 2019, 11:55 AM
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I decided to send the samples to the laboratory myself, they should receive them tomorrow. The last time I had a vet look at a pigeon he was going to send the samples away anyhow so I thought I may as well just do it myself.

Someone suggested removing his food for 24 hour's and then giving him a depurative feed which I've done, 30 hour's on this diet, his faeces is still dark green but no undigested seed and he hasn't regurgitated any either, still fluffed up.

Marina suggested possibly a yeast infection, while I was taking a swab sample I did see a tiny white nodule that came away, his mouth is a little slimy.

I'm not aware of any off the shelf yeast treatments here in the UK which is frustrating.

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Can't you get Nystatin oral suspension from a pharmacy? Best for treating yeast. Otherwise, maybe you can order products online for treatment.
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Unfortunately a prescription is needed which is frustrating Marina.
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