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monimoni monimoni is offline
Posted 12th August 2019, 05:53 AM
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Sick pigeon in Paris, France - Paratyphoid?


I need some help. I found a pigeon acting strangely in our courtyard on Friday. At first it was sitting unsteady in the tree, then it sort of fell and just sat under the tree. It's left wing/leg doesn't seem to be working right. It's unwilling/unable to walk, and it looks like the joints on the left foot are swollen. Our neighbor has a cat, and there was a huge storm rolling in, so I "rescued" the bird until I could figure out what to do with it. I'm in Paris, France, and I don't think I can find a vet to look at him/her, as pigeons here are considered a nuisance. It's very afraid of me, breathing heavy every time I get close, so I'm trying to just leave it be, but he/she doesn't appear to be eating or drinking water. I've done some googling (which is how I found this amazing forum) and I'm concerned about paratyphoid. I'm just not very sure what to do now! Thank you for any insight/advice.
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Marina B Marina B is offline
Posted 12th August 2019, 08:28 AM
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Looks like a young one with pox on that foot. Nothing you can do about the pox, it will eventually clear up by itself in a couple of weeks time. He looks old enough to be able to eat by himself. What does the droppings look like?
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Posted 12th August 2019, 08:42 AM
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He looks like a wood pigeon fledging. Can you look up any wild life rehabber near you? They can do the best job if you can find one.
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monimoni monimoni is offline
Posted 12th August 2019, 10:45 AM
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I don't think there's pigeon rehab in Paris. It's illegal to feed pigeons here. I'm attaching more pictures. The poo is dark, hunter green and cream colored, very runny.
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Posted 12th August 2019, 10:47 AM
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And another picture to help identify, if it helps. How do you know if it's male or female?
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monimoni monimoni is offline
Posted 13th August 2019, 05:20 AM
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Quick update


I was able to feed him/her some fresh peas this morning. Poor thing is really stressed when I handle it though. I washed it's feet and put tea tree oil on the lesions. I'm attaching more pics in case someone can give me a clearer idea about whether I should try to find some antibiotics? Also, if there's someone in Paris who has knowledge about an organization or vet that might help with a pigeon?
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Colombina Colombina is offline
Posted 13th August 2019, 06:17 AM
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Hi, thanks so much for helping him.

These are the website and the email of the French pigeon protection group C.RE.DO des pigeons:

https://credopigeons.wordpress.com/2...eon-tombe-nid/

[email protected]

You can find there many informations and suggestions (also about wood pigeons), links, names of vets who cares about pigeons (even in Paris, like Dr. Paoletti), etc. Maybe you could also find a volunteer who can help you with the bird.
The article is really long but I suggest you to read it until the end of it because the informations and links are "scattered" everywhere.

This is the website of L'ambassade des pigeons:

http://www.ambassadedespigeons.com/index.html


Here you can read some general information about wood pigeons and also about pox in wood pigeons.

https://www.pigeonrescue.co.uk/thewoodpigeon.htm

I would start to look for a complete vitamin supplement (something similar to Omni-vit Oropharma would be good), he needs to stay as strong as possible.

Just a thing: some vets or associations just euthanize sick or injured birds so be careful.

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Marina B Marina B is offline
Posted 13th August 2019, 08:13 AM
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If you are having difficulty in feeding him the peas, cover his body and head with a soft towel and only let the beak stick out. The droppings will be on the greenish side when they are getting fed peas. No antibiotics will help for pox, just supportive care and vitamins in the drinking water to speed up the healing.
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monimoni monimoni is offline
Posted 13th August 2019, 09:51 AM
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So is the consensus that it's pox, not paratyphoid? Is the droopy wing a symptom of pox as well?

Thank you both so much, Colombina and Marina B, for the useful information! I really appreciate it. He/she is doing so much better, even eating some of the millet on their own.
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Marina B Marina B is offline
Posted 13th August 2019, 10:12 AM
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A droopy wing can be a sign of paratyphoid, have you checked for any swelling? Weakness can also cause this. The feathers do look a bit ruffled, have you checked for any injuries? Especially under the wings. Just in case the cat was involved.

It's a good sign he is eating. Make sure he is eating the seeds and not just scattering them around. Inbetween you can still feed the peas if you think he is not eating enough.

Definitely pox on the one foot. I'm not sure about the other foot.
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Colombina Colombina is offline
Posted 14th August 2019, 06:17 AM
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As Marina said a droopy wing could be a sign of paratyphoid. Honestly I don't have a great experience with parathyphoid because I only cared about one pigeon who had it, Friz (he was a really brave pigeon but he died) so I can't rule it out for sure. Friz couldn't fly, was really skinny, couldn't eat on his own, couldn't keep his head straight and had a swollen joint at his foot (but it looked different from your bird's foot).

Is it possible that his wing got injured when he fell from the tree?

Here you can find helpful information about salmonella, pox and other illnesses:

http://www.colombophiliefr.com/pages/tab_maladies.htm

https://www.northstardoves.com/pages/pigeon-diseases

http://www.chevita.com/

This is the website of another French association

https://nalo28.pagesperso-orange.fr/..._sommaire.html

Email

[email protected]



My vet suggested me this product

https://fr.virbac.com/products/alime...eaux-oceproven

It helps in case of intestinal flora disorder and to maintain a good intestinal transit. It could help your bird, he needs to stay as strong as possible.
This is a similar product from a different brand

https://www.jardiland.com/vitaregul-...ux-538825.html
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