Well it's not any ones fault here, nobody knew including me, that the wing was broken. I'm not that upset now. I guess it was the whole driving there and being told there was no other choice that got me more then anything.Well, Tony, I'm sorry you failed to mention that the bird had a broken wing. If you had given that information I would have told you that the WBF is bound by law to PTS any wild native species that cannot be returned to the wild. if the bird only had pox, the girls would have kept it and cured it and released it. Private persons are not allowed to harbor any native species and the licensed rehabbers MUST by law PTS any bird that cannot be released back to the wild. I hope you can understand that they have no choice if they wish to keep their license. If you had only shared the information about the wing, I would not have told you to take it anywhere. With some supportive care you might have saved it...we'll never know now. Please be advised that anyone who has a protected species must hide that fact or relinquish it to the authorized person, either a Vet or licensed rehabber. Please don't be down on WBF, they save a lot more than they have to PTS and they are the most helpful we have here in the NYC area. As it turns out with the wing problem, anyone you went to would have done the same, again I emphasize, they must by law.
I'm sorry to hear about the dove.
I know it's a moot point now, but I'm curious. What was Dr. Pesek's advice when you spoke with her this morning?
Good Point to know now, will put that into my long term memoryEVALUATED..... what does that mean??? It means IF the bird can be repaired and RELEASED back to the wild, they will repair it.IF THE BIRD CANNOT BE REPAIRED FOR RELEASE...IT MUST BE PTS. That is the law
Terry,Tony and all .. especially Tony ..
I am so very sorry that things ended as they did for this dove, It is very difficult at times to know what is best, and I think we all did try to give you the best advice here on Pigeon-Talk. Sadly, that resulted in the death of the dove. There is nothing I can say that will make that right or OK for you, and my heart goes out to you ..
Tony .. I don't think it is that tough in New York State .. go get your rehabbers license and do it now! Then you can legally care for birds such as this dove.
I rescue and rehab lots and lots of birds, but the ones I take in do not require permits or anything .. I do the underdogs .. sparrows, starlings, pigeons, exotics, and domestics.
Please do feel free to stay with us here on Pigeon-Talk. Again, I am very sorry this ended as it did.
Actually, to legally rehab any migratory bird species (which basically means any species other than pigeons, sparrows, and starlings), you need a federal permit, not just a NYS license. The requirements for obtaining a federal permit are much more stringent than that for the state one: http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-10b.pdfTony .. I don't think it is that tough in New York State .. go get your rehabbers license and do it now! Then you can legally care for birds such as this dove.
Jennifer,Actually, to legally rehab any migratory bird species (which basically means any species other than pigeons, sparrows, and starlings), you need a federal permit, not just a NYS license. The requirements for obtaining a federal permit are much more stringent than that for the state one: http://www.fws.gov/forms/3-200-10b.pdf
Tony, if the bird can fly now, I'm not sure why it would have to be euthanized immediately. The question in my mind is whether he can fly vertically as well as horizontally.
From what I know about Dr. Pesek, she goes out of her way to save each bird. She cares for and provides sanctuary for many different species, and I doubt she would euthanize a bird who couldn't fly.
I won't hold a grudge against WBF they were very nice and the little guy had Pox and was very sick. They had to do what was best, thinking about it today made me realize my little friend could have made a lot of other birds there sick and I think that and the fact his wing was bruised was to much. If I had another bird that was not as sick and no broken wing I would bring it to them I know they do the right thing.The girls at WBF are totally dedicated to saving as many of their patients as possible. The bird may have been able to fly across the room but that does not mean it could manage in the wild. NY State rehabbers are bound by law to PTS any native species that cannot be returned to the wild with reasonable expectations of survival. Their actions were neither an excuse nor was it BS.
Thanks Charis, I'm trying to figure out what room I'm going to use I'm sure it will take a few months to get the permits, hopefully by next year. Only because I do get so many little doves. It's hard to climb up a 20 foot tree to stick them back in and I'm good for 2 or 3 doves a season. Last year 2 fell out and I was able to get them safely back in. This year I was not lucky at allTony, I agree with you about birds not being kept in cages all the time and my one of my little parrots is sitting on my shoulder as I type this post. The other is in his cage because the one on my shoulder attacks him and so I must rotate their time out.
Many of us are unable to let our pigeon fly free either because of neighbors or Birds of Prey.
I think you will make a terrific rehabber and you know we will keep you busy.
I have to disagree with you, Grimaldy. In most states no permits are required to rehab English Sparrows, European Starlings, or feral pigeons as they are considered non-native species. All other wild birds are protected under federal and state law, and permits are required to rehab them .. both state and federal permits. It is true that non-permitted individuals can legally rescue sick, injured, or orphaned protected species of birds, but by law, any such birds have to be taken to a permitted facility or individual within 48-72 hours. I am well aware that the laws are not always followed and for a variety of reasons. Unfortunately a mean spirited person can cause a great deal of hardship for someone "possessing" a protected species of bird without the permits.You do not need a license to help wild birds. If you do they will have a leash on you by threatening your license. You will not get rich rehabbing birds and the truth is you don't need them.
This isn't true to my knowledge, unless there's some specialized NYS rule for migratory birds I'm not aware of. I'm NYS licensed and in no way do I have an outside aviary. The same holds true for other NYS licensed rehabbers I know.Tony, you will need more than a room. NY requires you have an outside aviary to acclimate the rehabs to be released
Thanks Nona, we have a nice size backyard with a porch. Under it was our Pigeon coop. We own the house so I don't think I would have any problems with that. To bad we don't have the coop anymore, Guess I'll have to build a new oneTony, you will need more than a room. NY requires you have an outside aviary to acclimate the rehabs to be released......thankfully you have the backyard, I hope you have legal access to use it. One of our best NYC rehabbers was forced out of her home of many years, & forced out of ''business'' by a new building owner because she had her aviary in the building's back courtyard.