[Guest]

Hi..for 3 days now i have noticed when i clean my diamond doves cage that there is blood spattered all over the wall and the cage!..i took each of my two doves and examined them more closely and one of them has a small chunk torn away from its lower wing when spread out...could this have been from nite panics (as i have heard about) or maybe he hit something in the cage to injure himself? is this a mating problem? can anyone help make any suggestions as to what to try?..everytime i hear any kind of panic i go immediately to investigate and they are both sitting there acting innocent-laugh..then when i examine the wing each day,the blood is dry on the wing but it had to be bleeding in order to spatter all over the place!..im confused..maybe im doing something wrong for them..they need something im not giving them?..i hear alot of flopping around at nite..i tried leaving them in the dark and also with a lite on but they are the same..i think it is the male doing this..he has the bigger orange ring around his eyes..anyone have any suggestions? is he trying to escape the cage?..mating problems? he needs something? panic attacks?..thanks for any suggestions!

 

[Skyeking]

How big is their cage?

 

[Grimaldy]

Any possibilty a predator is getting into the cage?

(My apologies to the forum members who may deem the question to be "sarcastic" or "out of line").

 

[Charis]

How big is their cage?

THIS IS MY QUESTION TOO.

 

[Charis]

Another question...Do you cover them at night?

 

[Lovebirds]

Any possibilty a predator is getting into the cage?

(My apologies to the forum members who may deem the question to be "sarcastic" or "out of line").

A predator doesn't have to get IN the cage.......just AROUND the cage. We caught a cat walking around on our aviaries the other night and I kept wondering why my birds didn't want to come out of the loft........now I know. Like the others said............the size of the cage and where the cage is might tell us something.

 

[Maggie-NC]

It could be night fright but if you have not noticed this before I'm inclined to think the bird may be catching on something on the cage. Check the cage carefully to see if anything is sharp or could cause the wing to get hung up and the bird is pulling it away.

Diamonds don't need a really large cage since they are so small.

I would put a tiny amount of diluted Betadine on the wound for infection.

 

[maryjane]

Some people keep more than one female with a single male, as the males can be (like larger doves or pigeons) overbearing and very single-minded when driving the female to nest. Additional females breaks this up (and keeps the male busy ). Keep at least one upper corner covered 24/7 for a bit and see if this helps. Mine always tended to sit up in that corner when there was any action going on in the house; I think it must have felt "safe" up there. Offer different kinds of treats, from the pet store or from the kitchen, to help keep them occupied. If they have a nest box or basket set up, you can try putting some fake eggs in there, which might fool them into nesting for awhile and give the female a break, too. Another idea is separating them into cages next to each other.

For now, can you put their cage into a quiet room for the next few days until the wing is better? And if possible put one of them into a different cage so the female can rest and heal. Make sure there aren't any sharp edges or wire uncurling or anything like that to get cut on in the cage. Then I would see about getting a few more females if you can, that would help even the odds. And of course you want to make sure the cage is large enough if you do add any more. I've only had five diamond doves before, and this was the advice passed on from their owner, so I hope it helps.

 

[Grimaldy]

Quote:

"A predator doesn't have to get IN the cage.......just AROUND the cage. "

I would think it difficult for a predator outside of a cage to tear off a piece of a bird's wing inside a cage.??



(My sincere apologies to the forum members who think my question "sarcastic" or "so out of line".)

 

[philodice]

Silly, the predator frightens the bird, causing it to hurt itself on the cage. It could be noise at night, or lights from cars, or you snoring, but that dove is getting frightened somehow.

 

[Grimaldy]

Strange!

The initial posting said that a piece of the doves wing was torn off. Don't you agree?

There is no question at all that anything that could take off a piece of the wing would frighten it; it would probably frighten you too.



(my apologies to those members that see this observation as "sarcastic" or "so out of line".)

 

[Jay3]

Strange!

The initial posting said that a piece of the doves wing was torn off. Don't you agree?

There is no question at all that anything that could take off a piece of the wing would frighten it; it would probably frighten you too.



(my apologies to those members that see this observation as "sarcastic" or "so out of line".)

Grimaldy, Do you think that maybe you could ever just come in with a nice comment, and try to be helpful for a change, instead of being difficult and argumentative. Please don't turn yet another thread into sarcasm and arguing. Your signature isn't funny either. It's sarcastic and ridiculous, and makes you look the same.

And by the way, a predator could reach into the cage and catch the wing of a bird.

 

[TAWhatley]

For Cripes Sake!

I am really, really, really tired of the nitpicking here on Pigeon-Talk. Grimaldy is correct in that the original post said a piece of the wing was missing.

I do understand that Grimaldy is being a bit of a pain here, but I can also understand why based on other threads here lately.

Some of you (have a look at the wing clipping thread) aren't much less argumentative or much kinder than Grimaldy, so let's all just cool it here and try to help the bird and the member posting about the bird and quit with the "sniping". Please and thank you!

Terry

 

[TAWhatley]

Pointless Discussion ..

The original poster is not registered here and has not been back since the original post .. Tis quite possible that we're all getting our feathers ruffled for no reason.

Terry

 

[Jay3]

I am really, really, really tired of the nitpicking here on Pigeon-Talk. Grimaldy is correct in that the original post said a piece of the wing was missing.

I do understand that Grimaldy is being a bit of a pain here, but I can also understand why based on other threads here lately.

Some of you (have a look at the wing clipping thread) aren't much less argumentative or much kinder than Grimaldy, so let's all just cool it here and try to help the bird and the member posting about the bird and quit with the "sniping". Please and thank you!

Terry

Terry, give me a break. Try reading what he says and how he says it. And his ridiculous sarcastic line at the end. If you don't think he's being argumentative and sarcastic, as usual, then it's because you just don't want to see it. You say you can understand his being a pain based on other threads lately. Well, that doesn't give him a reason to be a pain now. WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING IS TELLING HIM TO KNOCK IT OFF. NOT DEFENDING HIM. His sarcasm isn't needed but you seem to overlook that. You seem to see what you want to see when you want to see it.

 

[Whitefeather]

A predator doesn't have to get IN the cage.......just AROUND the cage.

Quote:

"A predator doesn't have to get IN the cage.......just AROUND the cage. "

I would think it difficult for a predator outside of a cage to tear off a piece of a bird's wing inside a cage.??

Apparently it's not all that difficult.

I have an Ivory dove, Phoenix, that Philodice turned over to me that had it's wing ripped off, literally, that was suspected to have been done by a cat that was outside the cage.
http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/showpost.php?p=306490&postcount=49

Terry posted not too long ago about one of her birds who was apparently attacked by a hawk who got it's talons through the holes in the cage. He was obviously on the outside.

Cindy

 

[Grimaldy]

I guess I am at a loss to understand this rush to put words into the original poster's mouth simply to justify Lovebird's comment that a predator need not get into the cage, just be around the outside.

Of course a predator could reach though a cage, but that is not what Lovebirds said.

As to Jaye, if you think I should be told to knock it off you ought to make that suggestion to the people who write the stuff I get on the PM board. From the same people who proclaim love, peace and getting along no less. Strictly the kind of stuff 12 year old write. As Tawhatley says, is the purpose of this forum helping pigeons or providing a forum for people to display their immaturity?

 

[Jay3]

I just think that people should come in and make their suggestions, without trying to tear down what someone else says, or find fault with other peoples advice. We should be trying to help the poster, not attacking other peoples suggestions or thoughts. That is when it starts going south. And carrying on personal arguments or resentments is really not helpful or constructive. Working together, and not against each other is what this forum should be about. And also what attracts new members to join. JMO

 

[Grimaldy]

Agree!

So in summary we have a person who has approached the forum on a question concerning an injury to his/her diamond doves which happened in the night, accompanied by thrashing evidence of a disturbance in the cage.

The proposed solutions are, a sharp projecting edge somewhere inside the cage which injured the dove when it was panicked, by something or from something unknown. A predator, possibly a rat, that got into the cage and attacked the sleeping dove. A predator that managed to reach into the cage and grab the dove, injuring it. The injury is described as a piece torn out of the wing, possibly a bite rather than a cut, but we need clarification on that point as it would point to the likely source of the injury.

Absent more detail from the poster, I would say the problem has been very adequately addressed.

 

[Whitefeather]

Quote:

"A predator doesn't have to get IN the cage.......just AROUND the cage. "

** I would think it difficult for a predator outside of a cage to tear off a piece of a bird's wing inside a cage.??

* I guess I am at a loss to understand this rush to put words into the original poster's mouth simply to justify Lovebird's comment that a predator need not get into the cage, just be around the outside.

** Of course a predator could reach though a cage, but that is not what Lovebirds said.

Grimaldy,
* If you are referring to what I posted, I wasn't putting words into anyone's mouth, nor was I addressing what Renee said, rather addressing what you had said, "I would think it difficult for a predator outside of a cage to tear off a piece of a bird's wing inside a cage.??" You just happen to quote Renee.

I just wanted to clarify that.

** You seem to be contridicting what your originally posted.

Cindy