No, the crest is not sexlinked. It is an autosomal recessive trait. You plain head hen is heterozigous for crest and the young birds will be a half cocks and a half hens.
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A crested bird with a pure plain headed bird will give you all plain heads in F1. They'll be carrying the crest gene, so putting them with another crest will give you 50/50. With a plain headed mate, it'd be just like the initial pair.
Works the same way as most of the other recessive traits
But like in all things, you have poor quality and bad quality. Sreeshs, if you're starting to get slightly crested birds out of that same pair, then I'm assuming your hen is split for crest, and it's just been the luck of the draw that the majority so far have been plain headed.
I have a dove hen like you're describing, with just the slightest little peak on the back of her head. Sometimes it's easy to miss it. She is with a plain headed cockbird, and all the kids look like dad. However, one of her daughters, gave me the most beautiful crested dove. You cannot miss a crest like that!
If it was a matter of all birds with a certain trait looking the same and to perfection, then selecting show birds would be much easier So some things have to be improved on before they look as they should.
Works the same way as most of the other recessive traits
But like in all things, you have poor quality and bad quality. Sreeshs, if you're starting to get slightly crested birds out of that same pair, then I'm assuming your hen is split for crest, and it's just been the luck of the draw that the majority so far have been plain headed.
I have a dove hen like you're describing, with just the slightest little peak on the back of her head. Sometimes it's easy to miss it. She is with a plain headed cockbird, and all the kids look like dad. However, one of her daughters, gave me the most beautiful crested dove. You cannot miss a crest like that!
If it was a matter of all birds with a certain trait looking the same and to perfection, then selecting show birds would be much easier
So some things have to be improved on before they look as they should.
So what you mean by that is the hen is also carrying one gene for crest inherited someway down the line. When from the cock and the hen the gene for crest is adopted I am getting a crested young one. But its still not having a crest like its father because the hen's crest gene is actually not of the same quality for crest as of the cock ? Is that the answer ? I am pretty new to genetics in pigeon and on the course of learning the A,B,C,D,.....
I am pretty new to genetics in pigeon and on the course of learning the A,B,C,D,.....
After doing some punnett squares and realizing I made a mistake in my last post (I'm not trying to do these in my head anymore, LOL), I'm confused.
I don't see how some of those things would work out.
Here's what I got:
Crested x crested would have 100% chance.
Crested X non-crested (non-carrier) would have 100% Plain-head and carrying crest gene.
Crested X non-crested (carrier) would have 50% Crest, 50% Plain-head carrying crest.
Non-crest (carrier) X non-crest (non-carrier) have 25% plain-head carrying crest, 75% pure plain-head.
Non-crest (carrier) X non-crest (carrier) have 25% crest, 50% plain-head carrying crest, 25% pure plain-head.
I don't see how some of those things would work out.
Here's what I got:
Crested x crested would have 100% chance.
Crested X non-crested (non-carrier) would have 100% Plain-head and carrying crest gene.
Crested X non-crested (carrier) would have 50% Crest, 50% Plain-head carrying crest.
Non-crest (carrier) X non-crest (non-carrier) have 25% plain-head carrying crest, 75% pure plain-head.
Non-crest (carrier) X non-crest (carrier) have 25% crest, 50% plain-head carrying crest, 25% pure plain-head.
As for the muffs, I have no idea. I think this came up one time here, but I can't remember. I know there is grouse-leg, but I'm not sure if there's another feather-legged gene or not. If not, then it must come with a switcher gene that tells it when to stop growing, or we'd have the same length feathers on their feet all the time. Which I suppose could be why some crests are more developed than others....hmmm. Or maybe I'm just thinking too hard about the possibilities of genetics in pigeons
Since there's both peak crest and shell crest, does anyone know if there's two separate genes for them, or if there's just a general 'crested' gene?
Since there's both peak crest and shell crest, does anyone know if there's two separate genes for them, or if there's just a general 'crested' gene?
lol... all I know is my pl head girl must carry crest as they hatched two (same clutch) crested babies. and one clutch had one crest and on plain. I would say if you want crests, breed crest to crest and you don't have to wait and see if you have a carrier...lol... Good stuff BeckyAfter doing some punnett squares and realizing I made a mistake in my last post (I'm not trying to do these in my head anymore, LOL), I'm confused.
I don't see how some of those things would work out.
Here's what I got:
Crested x crested would have 100% chance.
Crested X non-crested (non-carrier) would have 100% Plain-head and carrying crest gene.
Crested X non-crested (carrier) would have 50% Crest, 50% Plain-head carrying crest.
Non-crest (carrier) X non-crest (non-carrier) have 25% plain-head carrying crest, 75% pure plain-head.
Non-crest (carrier) X non-crest (carrier) have 25% crest, 50% plain-head carrying crest, 25% pure plain-head.
as far as the muffs go, just kinda interesting, my first frill babies had what I thought were poor muffs or not as long as they should be, a bit longer than grouse leg, and the last clutch both with crest mind you, had long muffs....from the same pair...what up with that?As for the muffs, I have no idea. I think this came up one time here, but I can't remember. I know there is grouse-leg, but I'm not sure if there's another feather-legged gene or not. If not, then it must come with a switcher gene that tells it when to stop growing, or we'd have the same length feathers on their feet all the time. Which I suppose could be why some crests are more developed than others....hmmm. Or maybe I'm just thinking too hard about the possibilities of genetics in pigeons
Since there's both peak crest and shell crest, does anyone know if there's two separate genes for them, or if there's just a general 'crested' gene?
In Paul Gibson's book Genetics Of Pigeons he states the crest gene (cr) produces shell and peak crest - modifiers/polygenes determining whether peak or shell is produced.As for the muffs, I have no idea. I think this came up one time here, but I can't remember. I know there is grouse-leg, but I'm not sure if there's another feather-legged gene or not. If not, then it must come with a switcher gene that tells it when to stop growing, or we'd have the same length feathers on their feet all the time. Which I suppose could be why some crests are more developed than others....hmmm. Or maybe I'm just thinking too hard about the possibilities of genetics in pigeons
Since there's both peak crest and shell crest, does anyone know if there's two separate genes for them, or if there's just a general 'crested' gene?
Three types of feather footing are generally recognised - grouse, slipper and muffed.
Thank you!
That was informative, thanks
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