dumped birds

Hi BLOODLINES, The checks come comes from the cock as he is a check he can also throw blue bars as he can carry the gene for blue bar geneticly a blue check can throw a blue bar while a blue bar can never throw a check remember check pattern is dominant over bar and barless. Color and pattern have nothing to do with homing ablity. GEORGE

bloodlines_365 said:

........ my question is are all the blue checkerd colors came from the dad or can a highly inbreed bird affect their homing ability... any input would be nice thanks.....

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I believe your first question is yes.....inbreeding in and of itself, does not improve the quality of the genes....could be your male is simply not quality breeding material. Losing a bunch of birds off the landing board, is generally not a good sign. There are exceptions if they got strong on the wing and got scared off....but it's not an encouraging sign that you have a golden couple match.

SmithFamilyLoft said:

I believe your first question is yes.....inbreeding in and of itself, does not improve the quality of the genes....could be your male is simply not quality breeding material. Losing a bunch of birds off the landing board, is generally not a good sign. There are exceptions if they got strong on the wing and got scared off....but it's not an encouraging sign that you have a golden couple match.

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i believe so....... this male is so inbreed for 20 something years it came from oude merxck blood and handle like a million bucks with an eye pupil like a dot when point to the sun... what a waste or maybe if i can find a rigth combo with him to mate.so far i mated him with hofkens,vanloon,spaniaard janssen,lodo vanhove and houben....

note..... as of today i got some of the blue checkered bird back that was lost two weeks ago

strong..... i always fly my young bird strong on the wing with no exception so far a few losses just only his blood.....thats why its very hard to stock a bird with out testing, i got this bird from a guy that used to import janssen 25 years ago when he died a few months,his wife sold all his bird...thanks guys

I had one breeding pair which I discussed before where all the cock babies have no homing or poor homing while the hen babies got everything. Go figure!

Inbreeding, close breeding and line breeding are not always bad. There just is a better chance that negative recessive genes will pair up producing the bad trait.
There is also a better chance that positive recessive genes will pair up producing a good trait.
It sounds like you did complete outcrosses with your cock.
It is very hard to know what you will get when outcrossing, unless you have studied all the familly lines for generations and even then there is a lot of guesswork involved.
Your cock may be a poor producer, but he also may throw better offspring if bred back to one of the youg birds he threw or another bird more closelly related.
His good traits may all be recessive.
Keith

Keith C. said:

Inbreeding, close breeding and line breeding are not always bad. There just is a better chance that negative recessive genes will pair up producing the bad trait.
There is also a better chance that positive recessive genes will pair up producing a good trait.
It sounds like you did complete outcrosses with your cock.
It is very hard to know what you will get when outcrossing, unless you have studied all the familly lines for generations and even then there is a lot of guesswork involved.
Your cock may be a poor producer, but he also may throw better offspring if bred back to one of the youg birds he threw or another bird more closelly related.
His good traits may all be recessive.
Keith

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keith.... you have a good point,some of my friends was telling me that too and not to give up to soon with the birds... plus im soo reluctant to let it go........ (ill post a picture how sharp this bird is)thats what im doing keep all the female but train tossed them up 50 miles and see how it goes, the better ones im putting it back to the male... i hope i have a kiezer blood to crossbreed this male.... i should of bougth the bird listed on pigeon auction last week, her dam is direct daugther of kiezer, sier is inbreed kiezer.... thanks

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I need to know if it is OK to use the same syringe for three different vaccines on the same bird? Is it OK to vaccinate young birds on the same day for PMV, POX, and PARATHYPHOID? Thanks, Don.

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I think a very good breeding cock will give a good bird to almost any hen it is mated with. That is why some do that polybreeding thing: http://www.hapycolofts.com/lofts/news/poly_breeding.html