Facility Manager

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Discussion Starter · Mar 18, 2009

I manage a small hospital in Northern Calif.
We have about 20 pigeons roosting and nesting around our A/C units. Netting is not a possibility, nor is Hot Foot. I've done pigeon control before, (20 years ago) and we used Avatrol. Trapping is an option, but time is of the essence. Should I poison them?

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Skyeking

· #2 · Mar 18, 2009

psimi said:
I manage a small hospital in Northern Calif.
We have about 20 pigeons roosting and nesting around our A/C units. Netting is not a possibility, nor is Hot Foot. I've done pigeon control before, (20 years ago) and we used Avatrol. Trapping is an option, but time is of the essence. Should I poison them?

NO, absolutely not. This is a "pigeon friendly" website.

If by pigeon CONTROL you mean poison or any other inhumane way to rid of them, you are in the wrong place.

If you don't want them nesting and roosting around your AC units, close off all access. There are all kinds of ways to do this, AND please remove the babies first.

Avatrol is not the answer, it is not only inhuman and dangerous to all bird life. but it doesn't work, the birds will be back before you know it because you provide roosting and nesting areas, and there must be a food source nearby.

You can also try to relocate the birds and their babies, try finding a local rehabber.

altgirl35

· #3 · Mar 18, 2009

avitrol is horrible, and sh*t rolls down hill, you risk poisoning anything that will see a sick pigeon as an easy meal, hawks, coyotes, fox, owls, hawks. plus how will you control what birds will have access to it, including endangered species.
prevent them from nesting for petes sake. and what harm are they really doing anyways, leave them alone

Ivor

· #4 · Mar 18, 2009

What part in Northern California is this hospital? we have some members here in SF and the Bay Area and people that care about pigeons and animals, we can try to go and see if are babies there and try to remove them but don't kill them, we love animals here and save a life is our goal, if you work for a hospital I guess you know what I'm talking about, let me know if you can't give information here just send me an email and we can work together and find a solution for your problem, but don't even try to kill them, I believe in Karma if you do something good for them you will get something good back in return.

Ivette

Charis

· #5 · Mar 18, 2009

Facility Manager....
I do believe you came to this site looking for real solution to the dilemma of Pigeons roosting at your facility. If you really wanted to poison them, you would have just done so without asking our forum members.
As you can read, poisoning is a hot topic here. We are pro-pigeons and we do value life of all creatures. I'm very sorry, if in the heat of responses, you have been demeaned. Such is not productive and certainly doesn't help the situation.
It is true that we have a number of northern California member that may be able to help. I also understand why you may be hesitant to disclose your location after some of the responses you have received here.
I will personally problem solve this humanely with you if you wish to contact me directly.
My email [email protected]

I will be unavailable until about 3pm, so if you email me, I will respond to you then.
Really, I just want to help.

Jaye

· #6 · Mar 18, 2009 (Edited)

Manager,

please be advised that poisoning is actually in violation of CA state laws (we can start with ~California Penal Code § 597. Cruelty to animals~ and go on to the plethora of state a county/local codes from there. So, basically, you could get in a whole mess of trouble if you take that route.....

And actually, most trapping is also illegal (despite what a contractor may tell you).

As you see, it's a hot topic here, and I do apologize for some of the replies which may have been offensive to you. As Charis says, we assume you are really looking for a solution.

There are SO MANY humane and LEGAL solutions available that one cannot begin to list in this post. However, given that at the moment there is no way to e-mail or PM you (Webmasters and Moderators...why not ?...My understanding was one needed to be a member to post, and if so, they should be able to rec'v messages) with the proper resources....

Please check back to continue the discussion. We can certainly be of help and you can resolve the situation in a simple, legal and humane way which would be the best result for the hospital administration, the pigeons, and the humans alike.

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Ivor

· #7 · Mar 18, 2009

Also if you want to contact the SF ACC here is the phone number in 415-554-9400.

Ivette

Brummie

· #8 · Mar 18, 2009 (Edited)

Well said.

Lovebirds said:
WOW! This is a great answer. A good way to get a person who came here and asked a question to just say "screw you AND this web site. where's the Avatrol?"
I'm assuming the mods haven't seen this yet......because I just saw it. NOT a good way to "help" or do any good whatsoever. Geezzz...
And we wonder why people don't like pigeons OR pigeon people.....
Sad.

I agree with you. But look at it this way, it's an opportunity to educate the uneducated about pigeon's. If we disregard there opinion, as they have done our's...we are the same.Don't win an argument, persuade your opponent is wrong.

Grimaldy

· #9 · Mar 18, 2009

To Lovebirds,

I am glad you liked the reply. I guess you think if you grovel enough it will prevent him from poisoning pigeons...again?

Lovebirds

· #10 · Mar 18, 2009

Grimaldy said:
To Lovebirds,

I am glad you liked the reply. I guess you think if you grovel enough it will prevent him from poisoning pigeons...again?

Who said anything about groveling? Why not ask the person why it is that they have to continously kill pigeons in the same place because they keep coming back.
The person abviously has killed pigeons before. They apparently know exactly HOW to do it. So, if they already KNOW this, why come here asking for advice? They ask if they should poison them. That's like asking someone if you should kill yourself. If you're going to kill yourself, then you just do it. You don't go around asking people whether they think you should or not. Just maybe this person doesn't WANT to "get rid of" pigeons the way they did "20 years ago" and are looking for alternative answers, and YOUR answer sure as hell didn't help them one bit.
You are one sarcastic person.
And by the way......that's all I have to say about it. I won't turn this thread into a battle of wits. That's not what it's about. So, you can just have a conversation with yourself.

g0ldenb0y55

· #11 · Mar 18, 2009

This thread really got ugly!.....can't we all just get along here! We all love our pigeons dearly and by the looks of it, this guy hasn't replyed back so Im assuming that he got the point! Let's carry on and keep the "pride" in check.....my 2cents....

karijo

· #12 · Mar 18, 2009 (Edited)

ATTENTION FACILITITY MANAGER - PLEASE READ
OFFER TO HELP!

Whomever you are, if you return to the forum, I just wanted to let you know that I would be happy to volunteer my services to help remove babies and find humane solutions to your pigeon problem. Please feel free to send me a Private Message using this form. I would be happy to help, and as already mentioned, there a number of us Northern CA folks who would be glad to assist you.

Thank you SO much for coming here FIRST and asking for help.
I (and the pigeons) really really appreciate it!!!
I also understand that not everyone loves pigeons as much as we forum members obviosuly do, so please forgive any members that may have insulted you or made you feel like you did the wrong thing by coming here. You did the right thing.

Please do contact me or any other Northern CA member offering assistance, so that we can help you out.

Best,
Kari Jo
Oakland, CA

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LUCKYT

· #13 · Mar 18, 2009 (Edited)

I am a Facilities Manager myself, not at a Hospital thou. I think this post was a set up from the beginning. If on my Building, which is no were near as Politically sensitive, as far as the public goes, I had a Pigeon problem, there is NO way i would even ASK such a question on a public Forum. This Post is B.S., or this Manager is a complete MORON! Dave

LUCKYT

· #14 · Mar 18, 2009

I bet you never hear from this "trickster" Again... Dave

TAWhatley

· #15 · Mar 18, 2009

Thank you to our members who have offered their hands on assistance to Facility Manager and thanks to those who have posted about the extreme inhumanity of using Avitrol .. It's inhumane not only for the pigeons but for any other life form that comes into contact with this poison. AND, as has been posted, it's ineffective.

The solution lies in making the roosting and nesting spots inaccessible and in making an effort to see that the birds do not have easy access to food scraps.

Let's everyone keep the lines of communication open here and let's keep it civil.

Terry

Grimaldy

· #16 · Mar 19, 2009

The plain truth folks is that LuckyT has probably put his finger right on it.

It would be difficult to believe a hospital manager, a person with demonstrated skills and responsibility, would simply wander into a pigeon support forum with no clue as to what goes on here and ask advice for eliminating or removing pigeons. The implied threat being that poison worked well before. Second, it would be more difficult to believe that a hospital manager would not have a maintenance-clean up crew that would deal with nuisances; he would most likely ask them to do something about it. A business manager would look for the cheapest, and easilest way to deal with a problem, assuming he has decided to do his own maintenance and clean up work, namely call in an exterminator.

It speaks well of those members who take his posting at face value and offer to help; I am of the view their good nature has simply been some clown's humor for the day. I suspect I am not alone in that view. Less I belabor the obvious, this "hospital manager" has not exactly rushed to take up any of the good faith offers several members have so pleadingly extended.

And I doubt he or she ever will.

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Charis

· #17 · Mar 19, 2009

I am So Annoyed...

Grimaldy said:
The plain truth folks is that LuckyT has probably put his finger right on it.

It would be difficult to believe a hospital manager, a person with demonstrated skills and responsibility, would simply wander into a pigeon support forum with no clue as to what goes on here and ask advice for eliminating or removing pigeons. The implied threat being that poison worked well before. Second, it would be more difficult to believe that a hospital manager would not have a maintenance-clean up crew that would deal with nuisances; he would most likely ask them to do something about it. A business manager would look for the cheapest, and easilest way to deal with a problem, assuming he has decided to do his own maintenance and clean up work, namely call in an exterminator.

It speaks well of those members who take his posting at face value and offer to help; I am of the view their good nature has simply been some clown's humor for the day. I suspect I am not alone in that view. Less I belabor the obvious, this "hospital manager" has not exactly rushed to take up any of the good faith offers several members have so pleadingly extended.

And I doubt he or she ever will.

I agree we will never hear from this person again considering some of the the welcoming posts which weren't very welcoming at all. I noticed yours has been deleted.
Why would he/she stick around to be demeaned and belittled? Why would he/she think we could offer helpful advise? We sure have fit the profile of a BUNCH OF NUTS....And you are right...he/she probably is having a good laugh right now and probably some pigeons are going to be poisioned.

Grimaldy

· #18 · Mar 19, 2009

Well Charis,
if I were you I would not be in such a hurry to give him something more to laugh at!

LUCKYT

· #19 · Mar 19, 2009

THERE IS NO " Facilities" Manager, GET with it! I do that Job for a living. you could have BOLD FACED swore at him/her and it would have made no difference. That post was a JOKE somebody was playing, or someone so poor at their Job i wish they would post were they worked, because i would have their job within a Month. A facilities manager has to be very P.C. correct.
GEEE... why did she/he not identify themselves? Because he/she are NOT what they say. I feel every ones response here was justified.
Again if that guy is real, HE is one of the worst facility Managers i have ever heard of, and i want his job! You were never in a position to help this person.... If i was head administration at that Hospital, and heard of this he would be GONE the Minute i found out about it. That attitude was out of style in the early 80's as far as P.R. goes. Dave

Kimberly_CA

· #20 · Mar 19, 2009 (Edited)

If anyone comes back and is not scared off I would be happy to help.

I live near Sacramento and my mom works at Mercy San Juan and my sister at Kaiser. If I can do anything let me know.

(didn't seem very out of the ordinary to me. It's a HOSPITAL and remember pigeons "are worse than rats" to most people)

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