I had a stray hen that was one of the best flyers in my loft.She won the combine from RENO 450 miles She strayed in as a young bird The guy that owned the bird told me to keep it and that it was a DETROIT Bekeart and I was flying Bekearts at the time so I kept her ( Old 183).She sure was a flyer but she never raised a youngster worth anything GEORGEIs it just me or does that bird not look like a fabulous specimen? There's just something about it...........