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This dove kept sitting in my garden for a couple of days, then unusually she came down and just sat on the table outside my window, so we caught her with a net, she seemed like she has a cold,
i have been keeping her warm in a cage, she has eaten a little and had water, is there anything i can give her, her breathing sounds alright, she just looks a bit down and droopy like a human whwn they have a cold. thanks Karen
 

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Hello Karen,

Can you tell us what country you are in and what sort of dove it is? It sounds as if it will need antibiotics and with any luck we can link you to a sanctuary or vet which will help.

As she is ill, handle her as little as possible to keep her calm and wash your hands after touching her. Keep her in a different room from any other birds you have.

She could probably do with a direct source of warmth such as a hot water bottle wrapped in a towel.

If you mix one pint of warm water with one half teaspoon of salt and one half dessert spoon glucose or sugar or honey and offer her than instead of plain drinking water that should help. Also cover the cage a bit so that she feels safe and feree from any draughts..

Open her mouth carefully and have a look inside to see if there is anything yellow.

Please keep us updated.
 

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I live in chatham in kent England she is a Collared Dove and seems pretty lively now walking up and down the cage trying to get out, but she seems to have a problem down one side . I phoned the R.S.P.C.A and asked if there was any medicine, but they said
i should take her in to them, so they can care for her,but to be honest i dont trust them to make her well. and return her to me so i can release her in her own area, there is a lot of trees and farm land and many bird tables around here. any suggestions will be appreciated thankyou
 

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For the time being, cover the cage so that she doesn't distress herself (collared doves can get very agitated and even die of a heart attack) but allow her enough ventilation and enough light to eat by.

Can you give a few more details about her problem down one side? Have you examined her for possible injury? (Difficult, I know, because they are so frightened and squirmy!)

I would not give her to the RSPCA, when the inspectors collect a wild animal they are required to call in for a decision on whether to euthanase or deliver to a sanctuary...delivering to a sanctuary involves extra costs, so it is an unlikely outcome for what they regard as a "pest species".

Here is a list of places near you that can help, I have included the ones in London, but there might be an overlap. If you take her to a sanctuary check whether they have a "no kill" policy. If they don't then keep the dove, there are permanent homes that she can go to if she doesn't make a full recovery.

KENT

FOAL (Friends of Animals League) Farm
Jail Lane,
Biggin Hill,
Kent
TN16 3AX

Phone 01959 572386

You can visit every day, except Tuesday. Open 1.30-4.30pm

Folly Wildlife Rescue
Folly Cottage,
Danegate,
Eridge Green,
Tunbridge Wells,
Kent TN3 9JB

Tel: 01892 750865

Specialises in hand rearing baby birds.

The Retreat
Postal address:
Daltons Road
Crockenhill
Near Swanley
Kent BR8 8EN

Telephone: General enquiries: 01322 614247 / 07720 495238 (any time), or 07941 435829 (only available during daytime).


Willow Wildlife Rescue
Chislehurst
Kent

Emergency ambulance 07956 472 284

Ambulance with boxes, cages nets. Cover South East London and Kent as far as Maidstone. Can provide homeopathic treatment.

LONDON

London Wildcare,
Beddington Park,
Church Road,
Wallington,
Surrey SM6 7NN

020 8647 6230

Have not got the facilities to keep unreleasable pigeons or to care for pigeons suffering from PMV.

http://www.londonwildcaretrust.co.uk...s_hospital.htm

Pigeon Recovery
8 Vermont Road
Sutton
Surrey

If there is no-one in, facilities exist outside the front door for leaving poorly pigeons, and the sanctuary owners are never away overnight. If at all possible, a small contribution posted through the letterbox when you leave the bird(s) would go towards paying for the bird’s treatment, food etc.

http://www.pigeoncote.com/vet/recovery/recovery.htm

Swan and Friends Bird Rescue
55 Copsleigh Avenue ,
Salfords,
Redhill,
Surrey RG1 5BQ
Telephone 01737 773712 or 07712 753919

Pigeons count as friends of the swans. Links to other sanctuaries.

Wild Rescue and Ambulance Service (Enfield)
Wildlife Hospital & Animal Centre
Trent Park
Cockfosters Road
Barnet
EN4 0PS

Tel: 0208 344 2785 or 07970 141282

Email address: [email protected]

http://www.wras-enfieldwildlife.org.uk/gallerybirds.html
 

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Thankyou for all your help, she seems to limp to the right and her wing on the right is drooping down lower than the left side, there's no sign of any injury on the outside. A vet has suggested without seeing her that she may have some soft tissue damage which will repair, plus there is a great improvement from yesterday, when we first brought her in from the cold. They seem to think it may be too much stress for her taking her to the vet. The reason i am assuming she is a girl is i have a male dove that lives free in my house and he keeps bowing to her. Karen
 

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That sounds very promising! :)
 

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unfortunately the dove took a turn for the worst, i took her to a vet who told me she had crop canker, so sadly she was put to sleep. The vet gave me baytril and told me to give it to my other dove 10mls daily even though he has no signs and they had very little contact except for my dove getting hold of her beak with his for a split second. Do you think i should do this and will there be any side effects. thankyou Karen.
 

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Crop canker is treatable and not with Baytril. If the case was Crop Canker, first dove died for nothing. Please check what is baytril solution you use 10ml is too much!
 

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the nasty women if you are correct, that the dove died for nothing has given me 5x batryl 2.5% oral and at the bottom says 10 units
 

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Karen -

What does it say on the bottle? What we would normallyget here is Baytril 2.5 % solution. If I treat a pigeon for something where Baytril is prescribed I give 0.2 ml - it may be understandable to give a Collared Dove 0.1 ml. But, as Plamenh says, 10 ml has to be wrong! For safeguard against Canker infection, the normal medication here would be Spartrix which does not require a vet's prescription - definitely not Baytril.

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it says 2.5% oral i was given a insulin syringe which counts from 10 to hundred and i was told ton fill it to the 10 mark



It was only today that i noticed, what i can only describe as a snotty substance bubbling from her mouth, when the vet opened her mouth there was a yellowy yeast type substance and she said it was to far gone for treatment would this be right. I need the right info because i really need to complain to someone heads need to roll especially hers
 

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It is to late to complain, life is lost. It happend to me to with one of my first rescues. When you have bad case of canker, sometimes the mouth is full even breathing is a problem, you take q-tip and gently swab it out. You can use olive oil to lubricate q-tip. One needs to be careful as sometimes comes to bleeding. As you get bit opening, give 1/2 Spartrix pill (for dove) and run this dosage for 3 days. It will clear it as never existed. Sometimes bird is starved and needs supportive care (suringe feeding).
To prescribe Baytril for canker, this Vet is not in birds.
 

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By the way, dosage that John gave you 0.1 ml for dove is correct, but I would not use Baytril as preventive. It can do more harm than good. Rather fet Spartrix and give 1/2 pill or 1 pill to your dove (you will not overdose even with one pill).
Were sick dove in the same cage with your pet dove? Was she eating and drinking from the same dishes? If not then I would not worry of canker infection.
 

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it says 2.5% oral i was given a insulin syringe which counts from 10 to hundred and i was told ton fill it to the 10 mark

It was only today that i noticed, what i can only describe as a snotty substance bubbling from her mouth, when the vet opened her mouth there was a yellowy yeast type substance and she said it was to far gone for treatment would this be right. I need the right info because i really need to complain to someone heads need to roll especially hers
Hi Karen

That sounds like the prescribed dose is 0.1 ml. I have a syringe here which has markings up to 100, but the figures shown on the syringe are 0.1 (or 0,1), 0.2 etc up to 1.0. The syringe is thin and about 4 inches long.

The vet definitely said it was crop canker?

Baytril attacks bacteria. Canker (more properly, Trichomoniasis) is not caused by bacteria, so Baytril is simply not appropriate.

Either Feefo or I can send you the appropriate product. Just private message address.

Right, a yellowish substance in the mouth frequently does indicate canker. The canker adheres to the mouth - usually towards the back of the mouth/throat opening - and a bad case can can be seen having spread to the edges of the beak and force the beak open. If the substance was 'runny' and like mucous, then that could occur as a consequence but on its own could indicate a respiratory problem (Baytril would be appropriate then). We obviously have no way of knowing.

Whichever, the infection can certainly be spread by beak contact, so precautions are in order without doubt.

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The doves were never in the same cage. my dove that i have raised since he was about 4 weeks old and now he is 3 yrs lives free in my house, they did not share food or water bowls. I dont think its to late to complain as i am supposed to be sitting here thinking my dove is protected from canker with baytril, and obviously he is not.
 

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Hi Karen

That sounds like the prescribed dose is 0.1 ml. I have a syringe here which has markings up to 100, but the figures shown on the syringe are 0.1 (or 0,1), 0.2 etc up to 1.0. The syringe is thin and about 4 inches long.

The vet definitely said it was crop canker?

Baytril attacks bacteria. Canker (more properly, Trichomoniasis) is not caused by bacteria, so Baytril is simply not appropriate.

Either Feefo or I can send you the appropriate product. Just private message address.

Right, a yellowish substance in the mouth frequently does indicate canker. The canker adheres to the mouth - usually towards the back of the mouth/throat opening - and a bad case can can be seen having spread to the edges of the beak and force the beak open. If the substance was 'runny' and like mucous, then that could occur as a consequence but on its own could indicate a respiratory problem (Baytril would be appropriate then). We obviously have no way of knowing.

Whichever, the infection can certainly be spread by beak contact, so precautions are in order without doubt.

John
The vet definetly said crop canker and she said it was all through the stomache and up to its throat, and said she had no chance of recovery only pain. Is the medicine your talking about Spartrix as i would not like to put you to all that trouble if i can buy it from a vet or petshop, dont worry this bird is going nowhere near her
 

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I am so sorry to hear this, as plamenh has said it is a common mistake that vets make and when you are a new rescuer you have to believe the vet. One of my first rescues was put to sleep under the same circumstances.

I think that it is important that you "re-educate" the vet, perhaps with the support of a local sanctuary like Folly, to ensure that other birds do not suffer the same fate.
 

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I am so sorry to hear this, as plamenh has said it is a common mistake that vets make and when you are a new rescuer you have to believe the vet. One of my first rescues was put to sleep under the same circumstances.

I think that it is important that you "re-educate" the vet, perhaps with the support of a local sanctuary like Folly, to ensure that other birds do not suffer the same fate.
thankyou for that advice i will get onto Folly as you say this cannot happen again. This is heartbreaking to realize there was no need to put her to sleep i would have nursed her day and night, i have learned a valueable lesson
 

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.... Is the medicine your talking about Spartrix as i would not like to put you to all that trouble if i can buy it from a vet or petshop, dont worry this bird is going nowhere near her
Karen, it will be no trouble. It isn't usually sold in pet shops, unless they do a lot of pigeon supplies stuff as well. Vet would probably charge over the odds, and to buy on line you end up with dozens more tablets than you need.

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Karen, it will be no trouble. It isn't usually sold in pet shops, unless they do a lot of pigeon supplies stuff as well. Vet would probably charge over the odds, and to buy on line you end up with dozens more tablets than you need.

John
i have sent a message
 
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