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I picked up yesterday an adult pigeon from the street. It is an extremely emaciated adult. Probably because oif weakness cannot fly. When I found him, was having the vent dirty with beige poop,which from other cases I know is salmonella. I gave a Lincospectin shot. Yesterday, he ate a lot of seeds and made a lot of poop. Feces were dark green and urates yellowish. Overnight, he again pooped a lot. This time the shade of urates changes to greenish (white green). Now the urates are gone and around feces is Today he is transparent green liquid and he is no more eating. The droppings have some smell that remembered me of a bird with taenia.

I gave him three times up to now water with acv, to prevent the candida, because I gave strong antibiotic. this morning I also gave metronidazole.

Any idea what can be? It seems something advancing fastly.

No other sign, like respiratory distress opr anything unusual in mouth.
 

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AndreiS, thank you for trying to help the poor bird. Please keep him separated from your other birds. Chloe's poop looked like that, with the circovirus. But could your bird just be starving? Assume you have tried to feed, eg defrosted peas. Hope he improves. Chloe had coccidia, staph, candida, malaria, and aspergillosis. Have you been able to check the poop for parasites? Think I am going to get a cheap microscope and start doing regular fecal checks. What is taenia?
 

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AndreiS, thank you for trying to help the poor bird. Please keep him separated from your other birds. Chloe's poop looked like that, with the circovirus. But could your bird just be starving? Assume you have tried to feed, eg defrosted peas. Hope he improves. Chloe had coccidia, staph, candida, malaria, and aspergillosis. Have you been able to check the poop for parasites? Think I am going to get a cheap microscope and start doing regular fecal checks. What is taenia?
He died few hours ago. I think it has some bowel disease, inclusively becvause he died in convulsions. And most probable seems to me to have been wet canker, because of that increased appaetite and because in later phase, he was making some yellowish aqueous green droppings (a single color) as I have saw at another pigeon surely diagnosed with wet canker (based on lab test). Worms may be the next guess after canker and some virus is not excluded.


The droppings aspect changed strangely over less than 24 hours from something close to normal to greenish urates (which if I'm not wrong, appear when is a chlamydia infection) and then to yellowish urates and than to puddle s of a single yellowish green color.
 

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AndreiS, very sorry to hear the bird died. Hope your other birds were not exposed to him. I worry that something like circovirus will pass through your area like it did here and that many birds will be lost if sick ones are not strictly isolated, and there is no treatment. Does taenia refer to worms?
 

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Most likely a male with Parathyroid that affected his bowels..Males die quicker that.s why I say that...Sorry..
 

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AndreiS, very sorry to hear the bird died. Hope your other birds were not exposed to him. I worry that something like circovirus will pass through your area like it did here and that many birds will be lost if sick ones are not strictly isolated, and there is no treatment. Does taenia refer to worms?
He stayed among them that day. In fact, the disease was helped by the fact I didn't put him on the electric blanket immediately as I usually do with the rescues (only some hours later), where he would been also separated from others.
I don't think it was circovirus. Circovirus itself doesn't kill but the secondary diseases (other viruses like adenovirus, bacteria like salmonella, protozoa like canker, fungi like candida etc) that attack the bird devoided of immune system. You have here a very good webpage about circovirus, by Romanian specialist Dr. Tudoran, who speaks on the basis of many lab tests:
http://www.rrp.ro/read.php?cat=sfatul_medicului&item=47

Here is the same page, translated in English with Google Translate.

He recommends King Herbs (extraordinary results) for immunity and also Levamisol, dimethylglycine, Baraka black seeds oil, E vitamin and selenium, hepatoprotective supplements, Neomeriol. The doses are indicated on the webpage.


I said previously I was thinking at canker, but the fastness of death may be rather a sign of bacterial problem, maybe reaching the sepsis, helped by in the relatively cool room. If I would have given him a larger dose of antibiotic (I gave only 0.1 ml of Lincospectin as I usually do but most fanciers give 0.2 or more) and next day I would have given the second injection earlier, he may been saved.

Yes, taenia is a worm from the flat worms phylum.




Most likely a male with Parathyroid that affected his bowels..Males die quicker that.s why I say that...Sorry..
Still,strangely rapid death and that change in droppings aspect was surprising.
 

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AndreiS, I read the article about circovirus. It ishighly contagious, like many diseases. Please don't stop rescuing poor unfortunate birds but please keep them separate from your other birds. Once the horse is out of the barn, so to speak, you can't easily get it back in. Thank you for helping the poor sick bird. Please also keep your healthy beloved birds safe from the sick ones. I am so glad I kept poor Chloe in isolation from Fiona for months, or i could have lost Fiona to circovirus as well as poor Chloe.
 

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AndreiS, I read the article about circovirus. It ishighly contagious, like many diseases. Please don't stop rescuing poor unfortunate birds but please keep them separate from your other birds. Once the horse is out of the barn, so to speak, you can't easily get it back in. Thank you for helping the poor sick bird. Please also keep your healthy beloved birds safe from the sick ones. I am so glad I kept poor Chloe in isolation from Fiona for months, or i could have lost Fiona to circovirus as well as poor Chloe.
Is not really like that. Circovirus attacks almost only birds 1,5-2 months to one year old, who have not yet built immune system. It is said on that webpage and on every webpage about circovirus I've read. Most adult birds are susceptible of being carriers, but are not visibly affected.

In the case of your birds, I don't know if the circovirus was present long before. It may appeared only in last days, when their immunity have been compromised by combined effect of diseases and toxicity caused by too many drugs. It happened to me many times. Had I not over medicated many birds, they would not have died (as soon). And the diseases that your birds got, aspergillus and so, were favorized by lack of sun, fresh air and exercise.

I keep over thirty pigeons in two small rooms and in last 2 months I have not let them outside, mostly because I moved the group of adult and and able to return home to the room on the other side of the building (toward the big circulated road), where I can't release them because they don't recognise the places. And in the room toward the backside of the building I moved the young & sick group, of whom some know to return but are not strong and experienced enough to resist on the cold weather and escape the predators that are more present now (they several times caught and ate sparrows right on my jamb). But because I left the birds fly around the room, stay in sun at window and I keep the room as well ventilated as possible, their immunity is good, they don't contract easily diseases, though I never vaccinated them.

Here is a video where I present many of them, talking about their past or present problems. I shot it this afternoon:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCDFb8EuepA
 

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AndreiS, enjoyed your video. Am glad you love pigeons. That is why we are all here. I just so don't want to see anyone hurt like we were hurt and like poor Chloe was hurt by something like circovirus. We only had two pigeons. She apparently came with it when we got her. One sick bird could wipe out a whole loft. Please try to keep the sick birds quarantined somehow from your other wonderful birds. I don't want anyone to go through the anguish of losing a pigeon to something when it is preventable by keeping the sick birds separate from the healthy birds. Your birds are lovely. Please protect and cherish them.
 
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