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Hello. Im New here but I really need assistance. I found a wood pigeon a week ago. He was on death's door becasue he had septiceamia as he'd been bitten several times. I started him on baytril on Monday and he's alot better now. He's moving around, eating and drinking loads but he still has quite a few problems that need addressing. 1st he has a large wound on his back that was and abcess from a bite. I'm guessing it popped or something but anyway, now it's just a wound and you can see bone. I've washed it through the best I could with hydrogen peroxide, a salt solution and today I used turmeric on the wound and some in drinking water. I've also added garlic to drinking water. He has a limp thats pretty bad. He can move his leg and clench his toes but just limps. The problem is he doesn't rest ity long enough to heal. Whenever I feed or clean him he gets up and walks around, undoubtedly doing it more damage. So could someone please advise a way of getting him to stay sat?

His cere is a blackish grey colour. I'm hoping just from the septiceamia. But he's in pretty bad shape all round. Anyway, if anyone could help me out I'd greatly appreciate it. The vets arnt being useful so I need to sort it myself. If someone could tell me whether turmeric really is a good thing to use? are there any pain meds I can use to keep him comfortable? Are his ceres discoloured because of the septiceamia? Do I need to take him to a bird vet because he limps or should that heal itself? As you can see I'm full of questions. I just wanna give this little guy the best chance I can give him. I can spend up to £750 on him for a vet bill if i need to. My local vets don't seem to understand that I want them to deal with him like they would a £3000 great dane. I don't want them to think wild pigeon. I want them to think pet, so they'll put more effort in but they don't get it. Anyway, anyone please help me. This beautiful bird is in great need.
oh and the most important question i have. If some dirt has been trapped under the skin, how likely is it that when he comes of baytril, he'll just get infected again?
 

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i still need advice please.

Anyone who sees this and knows a lot about pigeons please reply. I took him to the vet again today. A different vet and they gave me some metacam for his bad leg. She couldnt find any breaks or fractures so we don't know why he limps so badly. I'm hoping the metacam will make him feel more comfortable. he starts moving around in the morning and He gets real lively and flaps his wings and jumps out to look out the window. But then once I've fed him, he just goes to sleep. He wakes up easy and stands up whenever I open his box but then sits back down and goes to sleep. Another bird expert said that when they realise their being fed, they tend to just sleep through the day because in the wild they would be spending the whole day looking for food and they take advantage of the rest. Is that true? Cos it doesn't sound quite right to me. He's just finished his baytril course but I'm so worried he's just gonna contract septiceamia again. Please someone reassure me. I suffer with extreme depression, anxiety, vitamin d deficiency an to top it all of I'm an ex user. I've been asked twice since I found him. "If your in such a bad shape yourself, why are you trying to save a pigeon?" My answer is, I get help from doctors, if I don't take this guy in then he's not gonna get any help from anyone. I can't bare the thought of being in agony and no-one trying to help me. This poor baby is 2 months old and has most likely spent the last few weeks running around trying to avoid cats and foxes as he cannot fly and all that time he's been in agony from bites and infection. I can't bare to imagine what he's been through. He deserves to be given the best chance possible after his ordeal. Please if your going to help anyone on this forum today. Help me and Petey.
 

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Hello. Please anyone who sees this please help me. I found a 2 months old pigeon in a ball outside of a chemist. I took him home and to the vets. Put him on baytril which seems to be helping him greatly. He had been bitten many times and had an abcess on his back and serious air sac infection which has seemed to have cleared now along with general septiceamia. He's eating copious amounts by himself. I started him on metacam today. Just put a drop on a pea. He is lively in the mornings and loves to look out the window. But then as the day progresses, usually after he eats, he sleeps like most of the day. He wakes up easily but he just sleeps. And avian specialist said that once they realise their being fed, they ten to sleep as in the wild they would look for food all day and he's just taking advantage of being able to rest. Is that true? He has a very bad limp that he's had since I found him which has been 9 days. The vet today felt his legs and could not find any breaks and he has full use of both legs and toes. But he just limps. I'm wondering if it's a birth defect. He preens a lot and tries to perch. So he is so much better than when I found him. I'm just worried that he's gonna get an infection again once he comes of the baytril. Which I've just given him his last dose of. He's been on it a week. And my a**ehole of a stepfather keeps making loud noises on purpose to upset the bird. But anyway, he has most likely spent the last week or two trying to avoid cats and foxes as he can't fly. So the poor thing has been feeling like death and trying to survive. So somebody please help me and petey.
 

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The Metacam is a painkiller and also an anti-inflammatory, so it should help in two ways.

If he has been on Baytril and has survived the bites after a week, then it is pretty unlikely that he will develop any infection from them now. Untreated birds caught by cats used to die within 48 hours and it used be thought it was shock, but it was of course infection from the bite and saliva. We would normally use Synulox (aka Clavamox aka Kesium) for such wounds, but it does sound like the Baytril has done a fair job.

It is necessary to keep the wound clean and also not to let it scab over quickly, as that could seal in potential infection from any residual dirt. Wounds are best healing from the inside. A medicinal antibacterial gel is a good way of keeping the area a little moist as well as providing protection.

The problem would be exposed bone, because that can get infected. How well that area would heal is probably going to depend on the size of the exposure and whether the tissue around it can grow over it. That I couldn't give a good answer on - it would take a professional to judge.

There are rescue centres in Yorkshire, but depends how close you are to any of them. Do check these out (but avoid RSPCA) and if any are accessible, check with them before handing a bird over

http://www.pigeonrescue.co.uk/rescuecentresinengland.htm

As I said, if you are also on Facebook then the group I mentioned may have something to offer from any individual members who may be in your part of England.

Whilst this forum is an excellent source of advice in many cases, we do not have many active UK members with much experience.
 

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Please keep all your questions in regards to this bird in one thread so this is less confusing. I just MERGED the two threads.

Thank you.
 

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oh no

Oh no he just drank loads of salty water from what i was cleaning his wounds with. This won't kill him will it?
 

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I hope not, but then they don't normally drink much water at a time in real measurable quantity. It would certainly make him thirsty, and he may vomit it up I guess.
 

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The baytril can be given for 10 - 14 days...but if the wound is already closing and looks fine, you can stop it. You need to follow up with a course of probiotics to replace the lost gut flora.
If you can post a picture of the bird, one can assess its age. From your description, it seems lively enough. Pigeons usually doze off for short periods of time in the day hours, and the rest of the time, they walk about or preen themselves. After sunset, they usually go to sleep.
Its a good sign he is eating and drinking by himself.
 

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thanks guys.

Where would I get a course of probiotics from? The vet? I'm pretty sure he's 2 months old because apparently they start honking like a goose after about 2 months and he started honking a few days ago. He was very thirsty, I gave him loads of water to counteract the salt, and he seems ok. I need to know where to get probiotics from though. Please let me know. I want him to be as healthy as possible.
 

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*I need to know where to get probiotics from though. Please let me know. I want him to be as healthy as possible.
* Health food stores should carry them, they are usually found in the refrigerator section, but you an also use plain, sugar free non-fat yogurt or kefir, IF the label ingredients show probiotic cultures in it.
 

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thankyou.

Thanks. Luckily we always buy non fat plain yoghurt so once he finished on the baytril, ill start the probiotic course. I have one more question. I've been feeding him defrosted peas and sweetcorn, and a variety of seed mixes. But he only picks out certain seeds and now he's refusing corn and started refusing peas. he's still hungry cos he squeaks and honks and shakes his little wings for food whenever my hand comes near. at the moment he only wants one type of bean that's in the seed mix. I'm worried he's not gonna get enough nutrition and I'm worried about trying veg thats been mentioned on the net cos some sites say one type is safe and other sites saying its toxic.
could someone please give me a list of veg/fruit that I can safely feed him and buy at my local supermarket?
 

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Just like humans, pigeons can also be picky eaters. He might even like again at a later date the very same food he dislikes now. Provide him as much variety as you can...he is sure to like at least some of them.
 

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your not gonna believe this.

That idiot of a vet told me to give him 0.1 mls of baytril twice a day. My mum was with me at the vets and she agrees that's exactly what he said. So I've been giving him that amount for a week now. I went back today to get a top up of baytril and it said on the label give 0.1ml once a day so I asked him today and he said "Yeah just 0.1ml once a day. He's such an idiot!!! Please guys tell me is he gonna be ok from that amount? Luckily there were lots of bubbles in the syringe that I use to measure in the last few days and I've thrown some away cos he pooped in his water. But please guys let me know, will he be ok???
 

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The dose usually depends upon the weight of the bird, and the strength of the Baytril solution.

Baytril 2.5% solution (25mg per ml of Enrofloxacin) I would give either 0.2 ml once per day or 0.1 ml twice per day (different vets have different ideas on whether it works better once or twice, as pigeons have a fast metabolism). That is for a pigeon weighing 300 grams or close to it.
 

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thank god.

Thankyou so much John. You have been such a comfort. I'm so worried about this bird. I feel obligated to make sure he survives. I've got such a bond with him now. He sleeps in my hands. If I cup my hands infront of him he squeaks and buries his head in my hands. He's so cute!! I love him!! I just went out and bought him some kale to which he turned his nose up to. I also bought runner beans cos that's what the vet advised. But after doing some research found that i shouldnt give him beans unless a specific type. Could someone let me know whether runner beans are ok to give him? Your help has been amazing and Thankyou so much. You don't know how much I appreciate this. I'm gonna build Pete a wooden box to live in in my garden for when he's better. I will still give him the choice of sleeping in my room, if he so wishes. But I will make a nice box for him with maybe a little solar heater and mini camera so I can make sure he's ok. What I don't understand is, why don't the government/councils build automated pigeon coops out in the countryside far away from cities? Then they would travel between coops for food and there would be less city pigeons. So less health problems for the birds, the pigeon haters would be happy, and I would have thought it would keep pigeons away from crops as there would be a steady supply of food for them. Surely that would help wouldnt it? I hate seeing pigeons with no toes or 1 leg. Knowing I can't help them in anyway really upsets me. And you want to feed them cos you wanna help them out but you know that you would be doing more harm than good. As you want them to leave the city and head to the country but they won't be doing that if you feed them. Its a vicious circle. :'(
 

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oh my god something else to worry about

I just saw an insect or bug of some kind scurry under his feathers. Any idea of what that could be?

I'm feeding him defrosted peas and sweetcorn, wild bird seed mixes even tho he only eats millet and a type of pulse from it. I bought him trill but he's not interested and today I bought him kale but again wasn't interested. I also offer him a little wholemeal bread.
Any ideas what the insect could be? It didn't look very friendly. I tried to kill it but it got away so its on him somewhere.
 

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im so sorry about asking all these questions

I'm sorry about all the questions guys but the vet told me to use 0.1ml a day but as Ive been giving him 0.2mls Day for a week now. Is it safe to drop to 0.1ml a day or should I carry on with 0.2?
 

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What does he weigh (grams)? 0.2 once a day, or 0.1 twice a day would normally be fine. Baytril is quite tolerant.

The bugs may be feather lice. A bird lice and mite spray or powder (avoid the face and head) should fix them. Easily picked up by a bird who is outside for a while and struggling.
 
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