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Hi, jang786. Buying your first pigeons is really exciting stuff - I have only had mine for 3 months so I identify heaps. First of all, how old are your birds and have they been trained to home to their old loft or not? This factor will determine the steps you take in training them.
 

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the homers are 9 months old i believe as the breeder i bought them from told me and the rollers are 4 months, and i'm located in stockton, Ca
the homers may not stay if let out as they are too old, if you want to fly homers best to get squeakers which are young birds 35 or 40 days old, and train them. the rollers can be settled to your loft, but not sure how long they need to stay locked up, perhaps a month or more. :)
 

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so that means even if i train them longer they will not come back :( isnt there any chance? what about the rollers they are 3 to 4 months old.
the rollers can be resettled, the homers may just try to fly back to the pre owner, that it why the call them homers, so they may leave the second you let them out or decide to leave in a month or more, but chances are good they will try to go back "home". only train young that you hatched at your place or get young birds 30 to 40 days old and train them to your loft.
 

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but the breeder told me that he never took any of his birds out and said that they are not trained and even if they go back he will give them back.if i do train how long should i train them? and how long should i keep them inside the loft and outside?
they don't need to be trained, they already know how to home as that is what they will do if let out. they are conditioned to get in shape to beable to fly longer distances to get home. so training is for them to trap and things like that and get in good condition to fly home from a distance, so it is very hard to rehome homers that are 9 months old, you will be going to pick up you birds from the preowner alot. if that is ok with you then do it. but they could and may get lost in the process if not in good condition to fly to their prehome.
 

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but the breeder told me that he never took any of his birds out and said that they are not trained and even if they go back he will give them back.if i do train how long should i train them? and how long should i keep them inside the loft and outside?

When the breeder told you he never "took" the birds out, he may, in theory, have been telling you the truth. However, if his loft has any type of aviary or windows, then the birds were "out", whether he took them or not.
Bottom line is, you were hoodooed..........any reputable pigeon person who raises/sells homers would not tell you that birds this age can be homed or rehomed...........
If you let them out, the chances of them staying are slim to none, IMO. Is it POSSIBLE? Yes.......anything is possible, but once they are out, if they DON'T stay and DON'T know where home is, whether it's your home or the one they came from, then they're on their own. Never having had to "find" a way to survive, within a few days, they'd probably starve to death.
The rollers however, are a different story. They don't "home" like homers do. Homers are called homers for a very good reason. ;)
 

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It all depends on how devastated you will be if the homers don't come back. If that is a risk you are willing to take, then you could try flying them after they have been well settled to your loft for a couple of months or so. If you are unwilling to take the risk, then I suggest that you keep this pair locked up and breed your own little flying team from them...safer, and it really won't take very long to get a few babies and start training them. Most of all, let them get used to you and their new home for a while - I remember when I got mine, I really freaked them out in the first few days by over-handling them - I couldn't resist!
 

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Probably around 6 months, I gather - my pair started breeding a little before that (end of December) and are now about to lay their 4th pair of eggs. It won't take long!
 

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by training i meant if i let them go and make them come back... so that means there is no chance that i'll be able let these pigeons go make them comeback? do i just keep them inside the loft then or what?
If you want to keep them, they should not be let out.
 

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It all depends on how devastated you will be if the homers don't come back. If that is a risk you are willing to take, then you could try flying them after they have been well settled to your loft for a couple of months or so. If you are unwilling to take the risk, then I suggest that you keep this pair locked up and breed your own little flying team from them...safer, and it really won't take very long to get a few babies and start training them. Most of all, let them get used to you and their new home for a while - I remember when I got mine, I really freaked them out in the first few days by over-handling them - I couldn't resist!
It's now about how devastated WE are.......it's about what it does to the PIGEON, when they get out in the big world and have no clue what to do or where to go and the slow death from starvation that is a real possibility. WE get over it. THEY don't. :(
Pigeons get lost every day. I loose pigeons every year. However, I do all I can to train them and take care of them and prepare them for what I want them to do. And I do all of that at the appropriate age and 9 months isn't the appropriate age.
As far as breeding..........again, IMO.........a bird needs to be at LEAST 9 months old and preferably, 1 year old before allowed to breed. Keeps the breeder healthy and you'll get healthier babies.
Once these new birds settle in, it wouldn't hurt to let them raise a few babies. By that time, they will be 10 or 11 months old anyway.
 

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I don't believe it's possible to tell the sex just by looking - you can only be sure that they are a breeding pair if they have bred before i.e. if the female has laid an egg and if the male has mated with a female. Did the breeder have experience with this pair raising young before, or did he just predict that they were male and female? If it was just prediction, then he could be wrong.
 
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