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Hello,

One my ferals has a layer of yellow crust completely covering its left eye (see photos). I assume this is pox? He appears to be well otherwise and is full of energy. I didn't see any cancer growths in the throat. I have a DAC pox cream at home. Is it safe to apply it on eyes? Would the condition warrant taking him in or would it be too much extra stress for the birdie? I'm feeding it a budgie mix that has extra vitamin A as I've heard that it's beneficial for the skin.

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He doesn't belong to my main flock, can't say how long exactly he's been like that. It can't be canker can it as it can't proliferate outside the body and form lesions like that? Ok, I'll have to bring him home then. My plan is to apply the cream around the eye to kill off whatever germs are left there and give him harkers 3 in 1 soluble for the prescribed period just in case. It's not terribly strong and I think he should handle it fine. What do you think?
 

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Not sure if you can use that cream on his eyes. If he seems fine and the droppings are good, then don't treat him with any meds. To be safe you can check inside his beak and back of the throat with a flashlight for any unusual growths.
Alright, thanks for the advice. I'll leave him be for now but keep him under observation. It doesn't look like canker, his mouth looks clean. Behaviorally you can't tell him apart from a healthy pigeon. It's possible he had pox and is now on his way to a full recovery. Granted he may be blind in one eye but this doesn't worry me too much. One of my most daring ferals has a missing eye and he always gets first dibs on food and he stands up for himself like no other. Here's Pirate :D

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i dont know how to help, but i hope your pidge gets well!!!!
he is a beautiful dove
Thank you. I'm monitoring him and giving him seeds and peanuts. He seems ok apart from being stressed out by other birds who aren't impaired and can pick up seed quicker. Terrible location for them. Next to a busy road. The birds are dirty and smell bad. Still pondering if it's a good idea to maybe take him in for a week and let him rest and recover and get a good clean. Feed him a budgie mix with vitamins, rather than let him eat the junk people feed them. I'm aware that this would cause him extra stress too so I'm hesitant to do that.
 

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i think you should take him inside
do you have any other pets?
and make sure he has enough space, i.e. the space should be a little wider than thrice his wingspan, and 2 feet tall (60 cm/0.6 m).
budgie mix is good enough for him, but try as much as possible to get designated pigeon feed for him.
even seeds would be good for him (corn, some fruits, cereals (and dont worry, pigeons do NOT explode when they eat rice), etc.)

and about the disease itself, check everyday if the growths have spread on to the bill and nostrils (pigeons' nostrils are a little above the beak, covered with feathers that have bigger gaps between the small barbules.)

I hope he recovers! 🙏
After some deliberation, I think so too that he should spend some time inside. He knows me and trusts me enough to eat out my hand (or perhaps he's just famished) so having someone he knows by his side will hopefully put his mind at ease. I actually bought a big dog cage because I couldn't stand not having any means of helping my ferals when they got sick. He would be staying in my room and I have no pets. Haven't been into pigeons for long (the universe sent them to me this August to help me with my depression haha) and I'm yet to buy all the essential medicine they might need. I feed them wild bird seed. They go absolutely nuts for it. Do you know if I can spray water on them and would they start doing their bathing ritual?
 

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you can give them a small bowl of water, and the pigeon will drink it, eventually they will splash in it, and poop in it. (it's their bathroom)

everyday change the water, or the pigeon will be drinking poop.
and what's his name?
I've named him Rocky. I want him to defeat his disease. I know that pigeons like to bathe if you present them with a shallow bowl of water. The problem is a logistical one as I can't fetch much water to their site so I thought maybe I could spray water on individual pigeons. Or perhaps pour it with a watering can. If I leave a bowl for them it will probably be nicked by the end of the day knowing where I live.
 

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Not sure if you can use that cream on his eyes. If he seems fine and the droppings are good, then don't treat him with any meds. To be safe you can check inside his beak and back of the throat with a flashlight for any unusual growths.
So just wanted to give an update on Rocky and ask a couple of questions. He's been with me since Friday. His poop was green the following day but is now brownish looking with a white cap. Still I can see a bit of green in it. The combination of the yellow crust on his eye and green poop made me worried that he might have chlamydia but could the colour shift mean that it was caused by stress of relocating?

I wouldn't describe him as active, he often rests on one leg and looks a bit fluffed up. I noticed pigeons in the wild do that too when they're taking a break. There's not much for him to do here but once in a while he gets up and inspects his cage. He's alert when I'm cleaning his cage or get too close. I've learned that if I bow my head and whistle softly he calms down and shuts his eye. I leave the cage door open and he likes to venture outside once a day and flies to the top of my shelf. He eats seeds and was very partial to peanuts and cashews yesterday that he ate out of my hand. Normally he slaps me when I put my hand near his bowl.

I noticed tapeworm fragments next to him and thought that harkers 3 in 1 soluble was in order. He's not drinking excessively so it's safe to say that he doesn't have canker.

Just a couple of concerns. If he does have chlamydia, is it wise to give the harkers as I may be wrong here but could it throw out his gut flora out of balance and create an environment where chlamydia bacteria can multiply quicker? To counter this, I put a few drops of kefir over his seeds as it's loaded with good bacteria. I plan to give him apple cider vinegar for two days after his treatment ends to make sure yeast doesn't take hold. Am I doing this right?

About his eye. The scab is hard so I didn't try to remove it. I spray the area with colloidal silver twice a day.

Also, he has slight head tics and he yawns. Sometimes he scratches his head with his foot. Are these likely to be mites? What do you think of natural solutions that are based on citric acid?
 

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Can't you have the droppings tested to be 100% sure? These 3 in 1 meds don't have enough of a specific antibiotic for treating diseases. Deworm him and get something for external parasites from a petshop. His droppings sound fine.
I consulted a pigeon rescuer on Instagram and she thinks my pigeon has canker so I'll be giving him spartrix and I'll try to obtain clavamox or its equivalent here in the UK in case canker causes infection. She saw that his dropping has some yellow around them and apparently that can mean canker. They were back to brownish today after he ate. You're right. 3 in 1 seems to be a jack of all trades, a master of none. But what the hell is the point of it if it says canker, worm and coccidiosis treatment on the bottle. A preventative maybe? Thought a good immune system should prevent any illnesses from developing.
 

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I've read on a 4 in 1 bottle: use until a diagnosis is made. So I guess it's ok to use in a case of emergency until one knows what disease you are dealing with.
She said that due to deworming chemicals in it, it's a bad idea to give it to him as they're toxic and can weaken the birds immune system further. That makes sense so the strategy is to deal with one disease at a time if you can. I suppose it has its use cases - when canker is mild or the bird is healthy and you want to deworm him. So this morning I gave him spartrix and saw that some yellow pus was on his eye and nostrils. Didn't see anything inside his beak. He doesn't like to be handled at all and slaps me. If he has canker in his eye, wouldn't that mean that the entry point is somewhere inside his beak? Surely it didn't start in the eye? So the other guess is that he got wounded in the eye. Do injuries there typically produce yellow pus like that? I don't know how long his eye has been like this. I first spotted him about two weeks ago and his eye was like that already. His poop had some yellow in it this morning so could still have canker.
 

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i dont think injuries in the eye produce pus right
Mystery continues :confused: Do you know how much an indoor pigeon eats? One that doesn't fly much. He eats but not much. He's snacking. Goes to the bowl, eats a bit. Struts around a bit. Eats some more. But not like outdoor pigeons. They gobble down tons.
 

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Crust on pigeon eyes

this is a previous post which i think would be useful
That looks similar to my situation, albeit the crust isn't as thick in my case. I know that pox looks like bubbles but can anyone confirm that when they dry out they form crusts like that? This morning I can see a bit of skin under the crust and just a drop of pus was coming out.
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He probably knows food is always available now and there's no competition, that's why he is not gobbling up everything. I've read about sinus canker that can cause swelling.

Can you post a photo of his overnight droppings?
His dropping are mostly dark green with a white cap and some yellow around it, sometimes less, sometimes more, not too watery. Sometimes they're more brown than green. I let him out of his cage at noon yesterday and that's when he had his last proper meal. I take it they become dark green when a pigeon hasn't eaten in a while? Should I be worried? I gave him another pill of spartrix this morning just in case.
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Looks like he has some down feathers missing on the side of the neck where his bad eye is. Or perhaps they're wet. He hasn't had access to water this morning yet.

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Ah please ignore my last post. My scatter brain forgot that I spray colloidal silver there earlier.
 

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Droppings not looking too bad. I've never used Spartrix (not available here), I always give metronidazole for canker. Are you doing the full antibiotic course? You can't just give a dose when you think he needs it.
That's a relief! You're supposed to give just one pill of spartrix (Carnidazole) and that's the entire course but I looked through forum posts here and the consensus seem to be that one pill is rarely enough. It has a wide safety margin (32 times the dose) so thought eliminating canker fully was well worth the risk. He's spending today inside the cage and is eating a bit more. Still looks a bit fluffed up. I think he's judging me. He doesn't like my hands but doesn't mind my face. I've ordered enrofloxacin (baytril in a pill form) and doxycycline just in case. I'll get amoxycillin too when it's back in stock to cover all my bases as far as infections go.
 

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Droppings not looking too bad. I've never used Spartrix (not available here), I always give metronidazole for canker. Are you doing the full antibiotic course? You can't just give a dose when you think he needs it.
Droppings not looking too bad. I've never used Spartrix (not available here), I always give metronidazole for canker. Are you doing the full antibiotic course? You can't just give a dose when you think he needs it.
He just shook off this yellow snot looking stuff. I found another one. What could it be? And some of his poop has dark yellow around it.
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Did that yellow came from his mouth? Can't you get metronidazole for canker? Petshops that sells aquarium and fish supplies sells Fishzole, it's the same as metronidazole.

Have you tried to remove the yellow crust from the eye?
It did look like it came from his mouth. He was shaking his head and making sounds as if he had something wet in his throat. It had watery texture rather than cheesy one. I didn't see more mucus this morning so perhaps the drug caused that?

His nostrils and mouth looked clear this morning. I can see pink skin under the scab and on the neck. He scratches there and I applied the pox cream around the eye and on the neck as it's basically an antiseptic. I didn't try to remove the yellow crust as it's firmly attached still and by removing it I might cause bleeding. He's preening himself and is alert so behaviourally he seems ok.

Unfortunately metro in any form is a prescription drug in the UK. I will have to make do with spartrix for now. Supposedly it's as effective as other canker drugs. I haven't given him any more though as it's a single pill course and he's had two pills. Perhaps it takes time for canker to clear? I was learning about yeast infections last night and how quickly they can take over immunocompromised birds so I've adjusted his diet - I put nuts and flaxseed in his bowl and removed the seed mix that has grains. Apparently yeast feeds on carbs and it can be managed better by reducing carb intake. I've also put apple cider vinegar in his water (5ml/1 litre).
 

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I think that eye was injured somehow and is infected. You did say you saw some pus leaking out. The stuff he shaked from his mouth/nostrils could be pus leaking on the inside.
You could be right. He still has fresh pus under the scab. Canker of this magnitude would have made him sick me thinks. It looks like his entire eyeball might be gone. His poop was dark green this morning. Not sure if it's something to be too concerned about or not considering that he's been under stress and doesn't eat a lot (maybe two tablespoons worth of food a day). Behaviourally he's been doing ok. Actually he has been since I first saw him so I'm assuming the infection is only external? Should I leave the pus clear out on its own? I apply the antiseptic cream and spray colloidal silver on the area. I've also sprayed him with anti-lice/mite spray. He's scratching himself and has been dropping a lot of feather lice after I sprayed him.
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