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does anyone have a good pic of what the color called kite is?
Dirty (verdunkel) makes the dark beaks, toenails and legs. Normally, they will change to red legs as they mature. You can have homozygous and heterozygous dirty birds which would be sort of halftone dirty.I have almond and kite flying oriental rollers. The kites I have are dark black with the bronze on their wing feathers. Some have black legs and beaks and others have the flesh colored beaks and legs like the almonds. Some carry the kite genes but look like a common dark checked feral. All my birds are from a kite cock and almond hen.
I always thought that brander was separate too as Quinn stated back in the 70's. I'm just not as sure anymore. I've found about a 50/50 split among the "experts".I've just started breeding brander bronze into flying Birmingham Rollers using an initial recessive red roller mated to a show tippler hen - this first cross has produced both Brander Bronze and Red Mottle youngsters.
From my observation (based on a passion for recessive red and bronze colouring) there simply has to be a seperate brander bronze gene ..... whilst standard Kite colouring and "Brander Kite" may well look the same they are different. The standard Kite mated to recessive red does not produce breed Brander Bronze (or, at least to my knowledge).
From my initial Rec Red / Brander cross it's clear to me that there is a distinct 'brander' gene which is a Dominant (K B superscript. The Brander bronze seems to be a combination of the specific Brander Bronze gene with Blue, T Pattern, and recessive red .... similar matings without the brander gene simply produce 'typical' roller bronze/kite. If the Brander bronze is not the result of a seperate gene then why don't turn up in 'conventional' recessive red/bronze/kite matings? Incidently the white eye (maybe not exactly identical to Pearl) seems to follow through with the brander colour ..... even when crossed into lines of orange eyed birds!
This wing shot is of a 6 week old youngster
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Now THAT is a nice looking pigeon. Gorgeous. Yea, how far removed from WoE is it?nice Jacobin.
this is a kite grizzle frillback cross WOE
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That is very nice looking wing.Could you show us a picture of the rest of the bird.I've just started breeding brander bronze into flying Birmingham Rollers using an initial recessive red roller mated to a show tippler hen - this first cross has produced both Brander Bronze and Red Mottle youngsters.
From my observation (based on a passion for recessive red and bronze colouring) there simply has to be a seperate brander bronze gene ..... whilst standard Kite colouring and "Brander Kite" may well look the same they are different. The standard Kite mated to recessive red does not produce breed Brander Bronze (or, at least to my knowledge).
From my initial Rec Red / Brander cross it's clear to me that there is a distinct 'brander' gene which is a Dominant (K B superscript. The Brander bronze seems to be a combination of the specific Brander Bronze gene with Blue, T Pattern, and recessive red .... similar matings without the brander gene simply produce 'typical' roller bronze/kite. If the Brander bronze is not the result of a seperate gene then why don't turn up in 'conventional' recessive red/bronze/kite matings? Incidently the white eye (maybe not exactly identical to Pearl) seems to follow through with the brander colour ..... even when crossed into lines of orange eyed birds!
This wing shot is of a 6 week old youngster
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Tom this is one of my favorite pigeons of yours. {I thinks its the almond one}Kite with it's almond mate
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She was a BC1 so 1/4 woe and 3/4 fbHey Luke!
Like it!! Now you need an almond mate!!!
BTW, how far removed from WOE is that bird?