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Hi. I found an injured pigeon few minutes ago. It has broken its wings (the bone) by crashing to a fan. It is a baby pigeon flying 1st time today. I am watching him from when he was an egg. His mother is so confused. Please help me. Tell me how to heal it or tie it. I'm just a 16 years old boy, not a doctor. But I cant let it die like this. Please please please help me. Reply as soon as possible. Pleaee
 

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Our pigeon Phoebe had a broken wing and was nearly decapitated from flying into a fan but needed surgery to fix it. Am not sure how severe your birds wing break is. There is a post here that shows how to fix a broken wing. AndreiS? I think you posted this. In the meantime can you gently catch the poor thing and put it somewhere safe in your house with food and water? It needs to be safe from predators.
 

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I observed the wing now. The carpal joint is broken. Is there any way by which I can fix it? And also tell please what do they eat? And thnx cwebster for reply
 

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First of all if it is bleeding, it should be stopped. If injury is severe he may not be able to fly again but for now saving life is important. So just tie something around or press by your hand to stop bleeding . Give some warm sugar water and keep him in some box after he seems settled , he shouldn't be allowed to flap his wings else the injury will be open again and may bleed to death. So don't panic him, just tie him coving his both the wings so he couldn't flap them and try to stop bleeding first.
 

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I have sent a message to one senior member to ask for inputs on how to get the injury fixed. Seems he isn't bleeding now. You can get some wild bird mix for him from any pet store if you can else whatever grains you have like peas, lentils, corns, wheat, barley, canary seeds, sunflower seeds, safflower seeds etc and give it to them.
 

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Need to know firstly his age, the wing will be secondary to feeding this bird and hydrating it. Any idea of age? If older than 30 days and you have seen it eating on its own with no parents feeding it, that would be a bonus and make your life easier, otherwise email me at [email protected] and I will send videos on how to feed.

Now if u have him secure in a box, you will need some type of wrap, some type of tape to gently fold the wing in its natural position and tape it to its body. As kiddy said you may tape both wings against the body, and here is a funny tip, u can use a large tube sock or a baby onesie to gently put over head like a sweater and that will hold the wings in a normal position. Then he will need to be put in a type of nest or small shoe box so he doesnt struggle for flap around. For now if u have nothing, gently wrap in a towel and place in box.

Most important to keep warm, watered, fed, in that order. Send me email to help.

Here is a video of taping a wing, can be done with materials on hand if u dont have sticky tape. Wait for page to load then the video will load after a few seconds, will find u a simpler one as well.... They tape the wing first the wing to the body.


http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...&mid=D712BFD0D94797ABD087D712BFD0D94797ABD087
 

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Getting the wing taped up into a more natural position is important, as it may alleviate some of the pain it is going through, with the wing being supported in a more natural position.
How old is he? Possible to paste a picture of him?
 

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He is almost a month old jay. But looks like alomst a mature pigeon And I cant paste a picture of him because he is so scared of me and I dont want him to hurt himself in the attempt of getting away from me
 

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I observed the wing now. The carpal joint is broken. Is there any way by which I can fix it? And also tell please what do they eat? And thnx cwebster for reply
Here is a guide teaching you how to specifically imobilize each bone from a bird's body so look for the carpal bone:
https://theiwrc.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Duerr_Splinting_Manual_2010.pdf


Don't trust the videos teaching how to imobilise broken limbs, they are mostly wrong as they apply the same types of bonds to any kind of fracture, when instead differentiate approach is necessary. As a result, the bone is probably joining odd in most cases, leading to a disabled for life bird, which cannot fly or walk.
 

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You cannot even be sure what damage is done exactly to what bones without an x-ray. So immobilizing the wing in a normal comfortable position is probably the best you can do, without a vet. It will heal as it does, and he may never be able to fly well, if at all.
 

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You cannot even be sure what damage is done exactly to what bones without an x-ray. So immobilizing the wing in a normal comfortable position is probably the best you can do, without a vet. It will heal as it does, and he may never be able to fly well, if at all.
The guide also teach you how to identify which bone is broken, or if any bone is broken at all, in a very elaborated and detailed manner. Making such assertions show you not even have thrown a look on that material, which is written by the ultimate specialist on the matter. Yet, you try to impose your simplistic assumptions and this way you throw the forum members into confusion, making them ignore this extremely precious source of information.

For this reason, I will make a sort of summary of what this material contains. Is the second time you try to minimize the importance of this text and I feel forced to make such a presentation of it to convince forum members of its utility. Someone with the real intention of helping birds and bird rescuers not only that would not ignore such a resource but would recommend it as often as possible.




The title is SPLINTING AVIAN FRACTURES and the author is Rebecca Duerr from the International Bird Rescue Research Center, Cordelia CA.

It is an extensive text - 27 pages - containing tons of secrets and valuable knowledge that you can't find anywhere else, a real treasure, with many hints useful not only for caring fractures, but generally caring bird with various issues. This ofcourse is the result of experience with hundreds or thousands of birds from various species over years.



The material contains:

- a glossary with complicated vet jargon terms

- a detailed guide for general recommendations about examination and evaluation, treating (splinting) and controlling the splint in the afterward period

- a list of prognoses with the chances of healing of different bones

- a detailed guide for the examination and identification of possible fractures, with lots of clear illustrations for each particular bone, showing the way the bird's body must be hold, manipulated, palpated.

- a detailed guide about the way the wing, leg or other parts of the body must be imobilised, differently function of which bone is broken. Again, with lots of clear and useful illustration, including illustration teaching you how to craft the splint

- an useful presentation of the dosage of calcium supplementation for birds with fractures
 

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Andrei, are you aware that you are answering the post of a 16 year old boy? Who is not going to be able to tell exactly what bones are broken where? Even people who keep birds would have a hard time knowing all that was going on without x rays. If it were possible, a vet would be the best bet. Without that help, then a basic wrap to try to hold the bones and wing in the correct position is what is needed.

You say that it is the second time I have minimized this text. Well, it's probably the 4th time that you have minimized the videos that our members have posted to try to help.
Actually, the video that CBL posted was a good one. A large hawk, so easy to see and understand. No one is going to get it by the text, as it is just far to complicated to try to figure out which bones where, and how to wrap.

Even when vets wrap a break, the bird often doesn't ever fly well again. Takes a lot of know how. The poster would do good to watch the video that CBL posted, and try to copy the figure-8 that they do. At least get the wing up in as natural a position as posible, and hope it heals that way.
 

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If both wings don't need to be taped, you are better off not taping both to the body. It helps their balance, and not so confining. Also be very careful when you do go around the body and under the other wing, that it isn't too tight around the crop. If both wings have been damaged then you will have to wrap both.
Self adhesive bandage with some stretch to it works wonderful here, but I have no idea of what you have to use there.
 

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Andrei, are you aware that you are answering the post of a 16 year old boy? Who is not going to be able to tell exactly what bones are broken where?
He asks to teach him how to save the bird, not how to damage him. Doing what you recommend means the bird will be condemned to the ground for the rest of his life.

Even people who keep birds would have a hard time knowing all that was going on without x rays. If it were possible, a vet would be the best bet. Without that help, then a basic wrap to try to hold the bones and wing in the correct position is what is needed.
Again, nothing justify the kind of advice you give because is harmful to the bird. It will make the bird unable to fly for the rest of his life.


Well, it's probably the 4th time that you have minimized the videos that our members have posted to try to help.
Not only I minimized but I'm going to minimize them everytime they are recommended, as they bassically teach how to damage the birds. They are made by iresponsable people.

Actually, the video that CBL posted was a good one. A large hawk, so easy to see and understand. N
You seems to think any video tutorial from the web is made by someone with some level of expertize in the field. Is not. There are thousands of crazy people on internet making thousands of crazy videos presented as specialists' advices.

o one is going to get it by the text, as it is just far to complicated to try to figure out which bones where, and how to wrap.
Guess what, that text was not made for nobody. Neither was it made for specialists, like vets. Is not academic communication but popular science, addressing amateur rescuers like me, you or Taran.

Even when vets wrap a break, the bird often doesn't ever fly well again.
This is the anecdotal fallacy, giving examples of some isolated cases as proofs that the occurrence is a widespread problem. Ofcourse there are cases where, with all the rights procedures applied, the bird cannot be saved for a normal life of flight. But in man y or most cases, the recovering is possible.


Takes a lot of know how. The poster would do good to watch the video that CBL posted, and try to copy the figure-8 that they do.
Again, this means the destruction of bird's future. It will be a home bird and the rescuer (taran) will have to spend lot of time caring him, ofcourse if he doesn't decide to get rid of him.
 

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You guys are just confusing me. I neec to know that :
1. How to make him eat something because I've never seen eating by its own. His parents were bringing food to him. So how to make him eat?
2. How to wrap the wings? Should I have to wrap both the wings or just the injured one?
3. Is there any way to feel him comfortable with me bcoz I want him to know that I'm helping him?
 

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We NEED a picture so we can determine age and method of feeding and YES you HAVE to feed him asap. So for now put some warm water in a bowl, put 1/2 teaspoon of sugar in it and then dip the birds beak in it so he can drink, keep the nose out tho. Not knowing how old or how developed I will take a stab at it. If you have frozen veggies, thaw them in hot water only, then take one at a time, of peas or corn and open beak and put it in the mouth at the back and he will close beak and swallow, do this 30 times so he gets a total of a mixture of 30 kernals. No need to give water after that as the veggies have enogh in them. Do this 4 times a day for now. Go read my post and send me an email picture of this bird. My email is there, so copy and paste and send a picture if you want more help.
 

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Andrei, You have no idea what you are talking about. The figure 8 wrap can work, and has. A novice is not going to be able to figure out all the bones without the help of a vet, who even need the x-rays to be able to see every bone. This is not damaging the bird, and I wish you would stop saying that.
 

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CBL please post the pictures so we can all see the bird. Thanks.
 
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