Black HVR based pigeons with Mussolini blood, also other HVR with old Grooter lines. He bought his breeders from Deisher loft back in the 2005. These pigeons are middle to long-distance lines. One of our members has a major medical problem and can not continue his journey with pigeon racing. He had these lines of pigeons for almost 40 years. He selected his pigeons to be black and dark grizzles. Asking 50.00 a pigeon or 80 a pair, plus shipping and box. Shipping from Los Angeles Ca. PM for details, if interested. Thanx for reading.