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I have no idea. I don't know how people put all the different colors of pigeons in words, so I'm interested in what color they are too.
 

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try the genetics section. Those guys are good there.
 

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It's hard to tell, but I'm thinking the second one is a red grizzle (or at least I think I see some red)
 

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Yeah, pigeon feathers that appear rusty or brick colored is usually red. Brown in pigeons looks brown with no red tones.
 

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the first is a blue badge. second one is red grizzle.
 
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