question on antibiotics

Clavamox would be a very good one to ask for. Did you clean the wound? If not, please do so with 1 part peroxide to 9 parts water. Straight peroxide burns.
Can you post a picture of the injury?

Charis, i am starting to respect you greatly, but i think 50% at least would clean any Wound out with much greater results, even if there is some discomfort.. JMHO I do know, just a thought. Dave

nolvasan is great also to clean wounds.. you can get it at the vet...just a hint, you may want to take along the bird, because by law a Dr can not prescribe something without seeing the pateint first...so they may beable to sqeeze in the bird with your dogs appointment, and then you can get your meds, and he will most likely clean the wound for you too.

LUCKYT said:

Charis, i am starting to respect you greatly, but i think 50% at least would clean any Wound out with much greater results, even if there is some discomfort.. JMHO I do know, just a thought. Dave

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Well, LT, you'll need to take that up with the vet that cautioned me. As I have learned to trust this vet very much and not know him to be incorrect in any of his advise.

Hi zk,

If the wing is fractured it will need to be splinted, otherwise it will continue to be a pool for bacterial infection and the bird risks the loss of the wing. Fractures in birds are also as painful to birds as they are to humans and death as a result of an unsupported fracture is not an uncommon result.

If you can, please disclose your location and we may have a member nearby who can help.

By the way Charis, Peroxide is only useful for surface abrasions and cuts. With claw punctures the problem is the bacteria that are carried into the tissues that the peroxide does not and can not reach.

Hence the Clavamox!

John

Grimaldy said:

By the way Charis, Peroxide is only useful for surface abrasions and cuts. With claw punctures the problem is the bacteria that are carried into the tissues that the peroxide does not and can not reach.

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I'm very much aware of that, Grimlady, but most often...that's all folks have on hand and it sure can't hurt and is better than nothing.

BTW...Zoo Keeper makes no mention of a puncture wound. I think you just may have an interest in stirring the pot ...yet again and I wish you would stop.
None of us have time for this kind of nonsense.

GSYH

Charis,

If you read the posting by zookeeper, he says "if by chance this is a cat injury"!
I take it for granted that cat injuries frequently include puncture wounds and bites. Puncture wounds can only be treated effectively with antibiotic.

It is not clear to me what you mean when you say you think I may have an interest in "stirring the pot" "yet again". If you refer to the material you posted on the PM board for me, I would be happy to post it on the public forum so the members can form their own opinions.

I don't have a problem sharing the PM's I sent to you with anyone on this forum. I stand behind them 100%. However they do not relate specifically to the care of pigeons. If anyone wishes for me to email them to you I'm delighted to do so. I have saved them all. I'm sure they would be enlightening.

Well, aside from the sniping and moderator's defense, I usually use Povidone Iodine (brand name Betadine) for wounds if I don't have Silvadene ointment or, sometimes, cleanse with the iodine and then apply with Silvadene. I do dilute the iodine - 1 part iodine to 9 parts water.


This is a link to more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Povidone-iodine#Uses

Interestingly in the days before sulfa and penicillin, the recommended treatment for dog bite was to introduce iodine (or povidone iodine) into the puncture wounds with a probe. Iodine has the property of being a virus killer, but hydrogen peroxide does not. Rabies was and is a virus.

So I suppose in an emergency with nothing else available iodine would do it, but you would have to get all of the punctures.

Lady Tarheel said:

Well, aside from the sniping and moderator's defense, I usually use Povidone Iodine (brand name Betadine) for wounds if I don't have Silvadene ointment or, sometimes, cleanse with the iodine and then apply with Silvadene. I do dilute the iodine - 1 part iodine to 9 parts water.


This is a link to more info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Povidone-iodine#Uses

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I agree that works great if the member has it on hand. I do but most don't.

So what goes on here AZWhitefeather?

Is there some reason you allow Charis to continue her snide comments?

Is your idea of being a moderator to allow your friends to continually make snide comments about other members while you threaten anyone who dares reply with removal from the forum?

Is this a forum helping pigeons? Or you think Charis' remarks do that?

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So what goes on here AZWhitefeather?

Is there some reason you allow Charis to continue her snide comments?

Is your idea of being a moderator to allow your friends to continually make snide comments about other members while
* you threaten anyone who dares reply with removal from the forum?
Is this a forum helping pigeons? Or you think Charis' remarks do that?

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Once again, Grimaldy, you are intentionally hoping to start a row. These questions are completely OT to this forum and should have been asked via an email.

* I know exactly what you are up to on this one, my friend. Let me just clarify:
I have NEVER threatened to remove any member from this board if they dare to reply. That includes YOU as well.

What I said to you was: PLEASE, cease with your argumentative and OT comments. Otherwise I was going to put you on notice, where your posts would need to be approved. THAT'S what I said.
And quite apparently you didn't take heed of that.

My sincere apologies, Tanya for this disruption in your thread.

Cindy

Tanya is a long time member here though not active for a long while. She left me a phone message which I returned when I got it. She did say in her message that she would post here for advice. I did suggest Clavamox as the antibiotic of first choice in my reply to her phone call.

Folks, Tanya is an experienced racing pigeon person, a trauma/emergency nurse and is certainly capable of providing the care needed for this pigeon. She asked for advice, she got it, and it is time for everyone to quit squabbling about things.

Incidentally, it's her birthday today.

Terry