Your red mottle is possibly recessive red grizzle, with the rec. red masking another color, (ie ash, blue or brown, maybe non spread also) and your black could be heterozygous spread. Non spread grizzle offspring are possible from this combo.I have a young pigeon almost 7 weeks old and it appears to be a grizzle BUT the cock is a red mottle and the hen is a black self. How is this possible? Did I have a mutation and anyone know what the chance of getting a mutation is?
I didn't know that all red mottles were really recessive red. I have heard that mottle is a type of grizzle on spread...is that correct?There are two types of red, ash red (more variable in expression with, more or less, ashy tail bar and flights) and recessive red (generally more uniform red color with more red in tail and flights).Red mottles are always rec. red, so If your description is accurate then yours is rec. red, however, it may be masking ash red. Rec. red is much like rec. white in that it masks (covers) another color in the bird of which the bird is genetically capable of producing in its offspring if its mate doesn't possess the rec. trait.
Rec. red mottle is basically a red splash in appearance, however, it can be produced by a variety of different genetic factors. Ash red splashes are typically not classified as mottles, and are a genetic combination of grizzle and spread on ash with other possible modifiers like dirty and bronze to darken the ash red pigment.
I realize that this answer is vague but hope it helps a little. Maybe someone else can generate pics.
Ash red splashes do not need spread if tiger grizzle is involved, but spread is necessary for other grizzles to express a splash effect.tmaas, Why do ash red splashes need spread in the mix? What does it do to the phenotype, Also is would adding dirty and bronze over ash spread almost be counterproductive.
The proper coloration for a "mottle" is to be a solid colored bird with white splashed on wing shield, head and neck only. The tail, flights and underside are not supposed to have any white feathers. Ash reds can be mottled but would not be considered classic red mottles because the tail, flights and underside would be ash rather than red.I didn't know that all red mottles were really recessive red. I have heard that mottle is a type of grizzle on spread...is that correct?
So by looking at the color again, can one tell the difference between recessive red vs ash red? Thanks again and pictures should be up by 6pm tonight