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A friend called me today to say that a pigeon was in her patio/lightwell, unable to fly. This afternoon the neighbors in the building next door hired contractors to pigeon proof their building. Apparently they have a new baby and the droppings from the pigeons on the roof were getting into the baby's window.

They put up spikes, and also there are some terra cotta tiles overhanging my friend's patio, and there's this thick strip of gummy stuff in a wavy pattern on the tiles. There's no way for my friend to get over to the neighbor's roof to inspect the tiles, but I could see it when I went over - it must be some sort of glue.

Anyway the one bird is up on the roof, safe, and his/her mate was down in my friend's patio sitting in a planter pot. She appears to have crap on her feet, though I couldn't see very well. She can move around and was hanging onto the pot with her claws, so I think she should be able to walk, and therefore take off flying, but when I approached she didn't fly, but kind of panicked and flapped/ran around the patio. There MAY be something wrong with her left wing, I couldn't tell for sure. I was able to put a banker's box over her and secure her inside with a towel. I put her in the footwell of my car overnight in my carport, because I don't want her to stress out in my apartment hearing animal sounds and me walking around. I'm hoping a rehabber or hospital will be able to take her in the morning. I put some pigeon seed in with her, and a tiny bit of water in a dish. I know Charis warned about leaving water overnight but it's only a tiny bit, and there's enough overhead light from the carport into the car that I think she'll be able to see.

I'm not going to check on her overnight because I don't want to stress her out.

I figured it was best to take her in and keep her safe, than to leave her in the patio.

In the meantime, my friend is going to talk to her neighbors and find out what they put up there - the other pigeon is at risk as well from this gunk. She is a new mom as well so she sympathises with them, and she's also afraid of getting on their bad side, but seriously, it sounds as though they and their contractor company may have done something pretty cruel if that is GLUE up there....
 

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Apparently this stuff is called "Bird Repellent" or "Gel Repellent" and is not meant to stick like glue. It's meant to be a non-toxic, sticky REPELLENT that prevents birds from landing on the spots where it was applied. However this bird did land in it and I found out today that it got all over its feet and actually in its wings so its wing feathers were stuck together which is why it can't fly. It's the hen so if there are babies they are going to die as well, because the male will abandon them.
 

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Hi Serendipity, I heard about this thing before here in SF, I used to see many pigeons before in one of our buildings where I work, but now they don't go to that area, I was worry that something happen but I heard about this repellent, I'm not sure how bad is, but I know they don't hang out there anymore, Are you able to go to that building and check? Would you post a pic and see how is the pigeon?

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Hi Ivette,

I took the pigeon to feralpigeon who is going to try to get the gunk off her. Thanks feralpigeon! Then I hope to release the pidge back to her home habitat, but I'm concerned about this gunk and would like to neutralize it because otherwise I am sending her back into danger. Maybe it's not the regular stuff but some super-sticky "home brew" - I dunno. But FP says that if there are babies and the hen doesn't return to the nest the male will abandon the nest. Bummer.

I don't have access to that roof and have only limited access to the building next door in whose patio/lightwell my friend found the pidge. Her father owns the building, and got a copy of the pest control contract from the next-door building's owner as a courtesy before they did the work. She will give me access to HER building but that doesn't really do much good - there's no access to the roof next door and she probably wouldn't let me hop over even if there were - she's worried about neighborly relations.

So if our little girl got into trouble again she'd be at serious risk. If she can't fly, she can't eat or drink. The only reason she was rescued is that she had the good fortune to fall into the protected patio area where she was noticed by my friend.

She was very alert this morning and had obviously eaten and had some water and pooped a lot in her box. So she's healthy, it's just that her wing feathers couldn't spread properly because they were gunked together.
 

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Great job!
 

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Update and Question

Hi, FeralPigeon has the little girl and is getting the gunk off her bit by bit with mineral spirits. This stuff is supposed to be a "gel repellent" not a glue, but it sure acts like a glue and is almost impossible to remove.

I am frustrated because my friend who called me about this situation has really not taken action to resolve it.

To give you the scenario, my friend's father owns a 3-story apartment building here in San Francisco. The building next door is a 2-story 4-unit apartment building. One of the tenants complained about pigeons on the roof because the feathers or poop or whatever was getting in the area near her baby's window.

So the building next door hired a pest control company who came out and put spikes up and this gel type stuff - which they put on the tiles overhanging my friend's building's patio, and also on other areas of the 4-unit building's roof.

The owner of that building gave my friend's father a copy of the pest control contract and my friend has seen it but has not given me the name of the contractor even though I asked for it. She is concerned about relations between her father and the owner of the building next door. She is also a new mother with a 9-month old baby so she sympathises with the new mother next door.

I have called Animal Care & Control who say they don't enforce anything having to do with pigeon welfare, and referred me to the dept of health. The dept of health referred me to ACC. So I'm getting no help from the authorities.

I live in San Francisco - does anybody have any information about any state codes having to do with cruelty to animals?

Keep in mind, it's not just this one pigeon who is at risk. As long as that gunk is up there, every flight bird who passes through the neighborhood and might land on that roof, is at risk. Including endangered species.

The pigeon we rescued had a companion (nestmate or actual mate, not sure) whom my friend saw on the roof for a few days afterward. I don't know if he has fallen victim to it too. But every day that my friend does nothing is another day that all the birds in the area are at risk.

Can anyone give me some sort of guidance as to how the hell I handle this when MY OWN FRIEND is holding the reins and appears to not be doing anything? I did send her an email this morning asking her what she planned to do, because so far she has done absolutely nothing. She talks a big game, at first she was all "if that pest control company did something illegal they will be out of business before I am done with them" but - she hasn't actually DONE anything to resolve the situation.

If I could get up onto the roof of the building I could handle it myself. I'm going to scout the area later today.
 

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Email to my friend

This is what I sent to my friend today, I hope she is not pissed off with me but I wanted to convey my frustration and get her thinking about ACTION:

Hi K,

The bird will be ready to be released on Friday, as I indicated in an email last night.

We have until then to resolve the dangerous situation on the next-door roof.

I am wondering what you are planning to do about that. Is there some piece of information you don't have that you need, before you take action? Because time is short, and something needs to be done, and my hands are tied because this is a delicate situation involving your father, the owner of the building next door, and the couple with the new baby. So clearly you don't want me charging in to resolve it, and I have respected that, but that means that YOU need to do something before she can come back home.

It either has to be resolved, or the roof remains a death trap for birds. Not just pigeons, but endangered species.

I believe you said that you wanted to be sure that the stuff on the roof and tiles actually caused the damage to our bird. Well, she has gunk on her that prevented her from flying and would have led to a horrible death if she had not fallen into the safety of your patio, and it happened THE SAME DAY they applied the "gel repellant" to their roof. Is that not proof enough?

As I see it, there are these options:

1) contact the next-door owner and tell him that this stuff is killing birds which is illegal. There is a state code against animal cruelty.

2) take action on your own, get onto that roof somehow and neutralize the gel with kitty litter or sand or just scrape it off.

3) call the authorities. I have not had success with ACC or the Dept of Health (they each refer me to the other). But perhaps there is some State agency that protects endangered species. You could say you saw a mourning dove or some other species covered in gunk because of that stuff.

4) Call the pest control company and find out what they're using. It's clear this is NOT just "repellent."

These options are not mutually exclusive.

As I said, my hands are tied which is very frustrating for me. It's been 5 days since you brought this situation to my attention and now I am invested in resolving it so that the birds in the neighborhood are safe, yet out of consideration of the fact that this is your father's property, I can't act unilaterally to resolve the situation. To be blunt, if it were up to me, it would have been resolved by now, one way or another.

So, I'm sorry to be so pushy here, but I would like to know, what are you going to do between now and Friday when the bird is ready to come home, to make that environment safe for her and other birds who might land on that roof?

Remember, it's not just about her. It's about ALL the birds in the area, including the mourning doves in the tree behind your apartment. As long as that gunk is up there, every bird in the neighborhood is at risk of dying a horrible death of starvation or mutilation of that gets in their wings, as it did with our girl.

XOX,

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This is a very sad situation and I hope something can be done!

A question...I don't know if this would help, but I know that Dawn dishwasing liquid has been used in getting "grease" off pigeons.

Don't know about the "glue." BUT, what about the possibility using WD-40, which is actually FISH OIL. It really gets rid of glue and grease and I use in conjunction with Dawn.

Love and Hugs
Shi :)
 

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This is a very sad situation and I hope something can be done!

A question...I don't know if this would help, but I know that Dawn dishwasing liquid has been used in getting "grease" off pigeons.

Don't know about the "glue." BUT, what about the possibility using WD-40, which is actually FISH OIL. It really gets rid of glue and grease and I use in conjunction with Dawn.

Love and Hugs
Shi :)
Thanks for the information on WD-40. Didn't know it was fish oil, or that it could be used this way. Guess it really IS good for anything. Right up there with Duct Tape!
 

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Serendipity...try contacting IDA (In Defense of Animals) in Mill Valley. Call them and e-mail them. They know the head of ACC, and they can make suggestions.

ACC tends to do nothing about pigeons unless their hand is foerced or they are really bugged. IDA can certainly tell you whether using dangerous products which inflict harm on birds is illegal...I am sure it is.... whether SF, or state statutes. Also, if you mention that it is not ONLY pigeons being gunked up but OTHER wild birds, too....I dunno...sparrows, finches, starlings...name a name...THEN that lights a fire.....

W/ ACC you have to be the squeaky wheel....better to do it w/ allies like IDA....

Thanks for helping the pidge, BTW ;)
 

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Hi All..............I just caught up with this thread. This Glue Repellent is a horrific thing!!!! I have a rescue that was a victim of that stuff. The bird had an injured foot and leg trying to free itself from the stuff. It's feathers on both wings were all stuck together along with all the feathers on this chest and underside. Most of his tail feathers where pulled out whilst his trying to free himself.

There is only one thing that removes the adhesive. It is mineral oil. It is not a grease...it is petroleum based adhesive. Dawn detergent will not work, nor will WD 40. The best thing to use is unscented baby oil which is refined mineral oil. It takes many applications of applying the oil to the feathers rubbing it in, followed by baths to remove the stuff. It took almost 6 full months for my bird to appear normal again. I actually had to wait for a full molt for all the feathers to return to normal.

This is absolute animal cruelty!!!! This stuff needs to be outlawed. They use this stuff as long strips on the ground to trap rats.......it harms any living creature that comes into contact with this stuff. I have seen videos of puppies and kittens being stuck.

I wish you the best of luck in all your efforts in San Francisco in doing something about the problem.

I'm so sorry for that bird and so glad Feralpigeon is able to help it recover.
 

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Thanks Louise. Gee, you'd think that they would outlaw this stuff. It's awful! And it could harm any animal that comes in contact with it. How can they be allowed to use something that could catch even an endangered species?

Six months to get the bird back to normal? Hard to imagine. The poor thing.
 

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Please tell feralpigeon to stop with the mineral spirits.......that is paint thinner almost like turpintine...........he needs to use mineral OIL!!!! The fumes can injure the respiratory system of the bird. The unscented baby oil is the best. I'll see if I can find the link to my original thread about my pigeon with the same problem and post it here.
 

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The 1st picture is what the bird looked like when I first found him. The 2nd picture is what he looks like today........fully recovered.......his name is "Snowflake"

God........I hate that glue stuff!!!!
 

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Please.......please........tell Feralpigeon To Stop With The Mineral Spirits.......i Cannot Stress Enough That The Fumes Will Damage The Respitory System Of The Bird....

The Process Of Removing The Glue From This Bird Will Take Time And Patience.....the Mineral Oil Needs To Be Worked Into The Feathers And Then The Bird Needs To Be Bathed With Baby Shampoo.... You Have To Wait A Few Days And Then Repeat The Treatment. There Is No Way This Bird Will Be Able To Be Released This Friday.
 

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Please tell feralpigeon to stop with the mineral spirits.......that is paint thinner almost like turpintine...........he needs to use mineral OIL!!!! The fumes can injure the respiratory system of the bird. The unscented baby oil is the best. I'll see if I can find the link to my original thread about my pigeon with the same problem and post it here.
I'm pretty familiar w/construction materials.....and regular mineral spirits are
less harmful than unscented mineral spirits which basically is what is found
in Detachol:

http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/f6/h-e-l-p-one-of-my-feral-flock-is-badly-injured-31133-2.html

http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/f20/need-advice-trapped-wild-baby-pigeon-22225.html

Here is the MSDS for Detachol:

http://www.factor2.com/v/vspfiles/msds_techsheets/B-206 Detachol msds.pdf

Here is the MSDS for WD-40:

http://74.6.146.127/search/cache?ei...df&w=wd+40+msds&d=ImKCRBlMS6dx&icp=1&.intl=us

The bird isn't woozy from the mineral spirits, but rather from dehydration. I'm using regular mineral spirits because the oderless ones are more toxic to the liver. The exposure to the mineral spirits is minimal as I spot the product on a turkish towel, remove adhesive, and then immediately proceed with a bath using Dawn.

This bird will be releasable shortly, and able to return to her friends/family/
habitat...without an extended stay here. I am treating for known devils while
the bird is in my care. The droppings are very good, this bird is most likely in the first six months of life, so relatively young.

I also have other emergencies going on here. Thanks for your concern.

fp
 

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feralpigeon---

Louise is correct in that mineral spirits can be poisonous to the bird. Inhalation of it can affect the lungs and airways. It can also cause damage to the nervous system, and many other things. Even getting it on our skin, we should flush well with water. Imagine to the skin of a delicate bird. It can also cause the throat to swell, affecting his breathing. It should definately NOT be used on a bird. It could very well be why he was whoozy. You cannot be sure that was caused by dehydration. Here is one link on the product.
http://healthguide.howstuffworks.com/mineral-spirits-dictionary.htm
 
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