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Well I guess this is the time of year for I found another blue bar one that looks exactly like the former mr pretty alias now tulip that is now living in my loft having good life with twinkle toes. This one I think is his sister or nest mate--but she is really sick---not star gazing quite yet--but has blank moments and maybe it is at the beginning stages of something but the different thing about her is her right wing is dragging and she has a hugh very boney type of bump on it not at the joint but on the top of it and she eats well and I have her confined in quarantine at this point and she was trying to break into the bird outside loft and after about 40 minutes playing ring around the rosy I finally thought to put my birds in the loft and lock them up and just open up the door for this one to go in with bait I put down corn and seed and I shut it behind her and I got her and her name if Rosy.

Today I took my Jessie Mae (grey and white Mookee) to the vet because she has prolapsed again the 6th time or 5th can't remember in almost 7 years but usually I can fix it but this time she looked very very different almost a loss of blood supply to the oviduct and cloaca area and she was really weak and I discovered this yesterday and she will stay at the vet until about mon or tues and if everything goes well I will pick her up---we are concerned about maybe another egg coming or there but have not made that judgement as of yet--the vet will take an xray if he has too---and she is on fluids and whatever they feed birds and her condition is stable at the moment as well as a stitch for 24 hours and medicine--don't know what kind at the moment to tell you all but will find out later.... So the switching bird part is where I get Jessie Mae (if I do) and bring Rosie to him for a evaluation of her condition on Monday or Tuesday and I want to buy a different and separate carrying case for Rosy and keep her separated until we figure out all of this.
This is definitely bird month for me.....c.hert
 

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Jessie Mae died tonight about 6pm and her oviduct was twisted and turned septic from lack of blood--in the cloaca area--when I took her it was almost black--and thats one of the reasons that I took her for I never seened that before and it smelled really bad.
She flew to birdie heaven.....c.hert
I"ll bring Rosie in on Monday for her to be checked and keep you updated...c.hert
 

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I'm sorry you lost your bird. You kept her alive for 7 years, but it's hard when you lose them. Hope the vet can help the new bird.
 

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Oh C.Hert I'm so sorry for your loss, you obviously care so much for your little ones. Saying a prayer that everything goes well for Rosie and the rest of your feathered friends. Michelle.
 

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I will keep everyone posted on Rosie and she seems to be doing very well--no star gazing just yet but the smell is the very same smell the other bird had (Mr Pretty alias Tulip) twinkle toes friend. She looks exactly like him and the same age and everything and I nursed him for about 4 or 5 weeks with PMV virus and he is doing fine--but the unique thing is they came from the same place because the smell is exactly the same--can,t really define it--like a musty smell--sickning smell --and everytime it got worse with the twisting fits he had--he"s normal now in the loft and doing very well. I really think she is his sister and she has a very large wing bump or tumor or??? on her wing and it is hanging to where sometimes she steps on it. She goes to the doctor sometime this week maybe Tuesday after snow on Monday if it is not too bad...But Rosie is doing fine beyond that--droppings normal --eating well--but loses it at times and goes into another world like in a day dream and sees nothing..???? Wierd...Thanks..c.hert
 

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I'm so sorry for the loss of your Jessie Mae, and so soon after you lost Al. We had a similar loss of a young Taganrog Tumbler last year. She pushed out her oviduct along with the egg, which was still encased in it. Everything was dried up when I discovered the problem and my vet did his best but he couldn't save her. It's tough when you have back to back losses--we had that last year. And it was weird stuff I couldn't have anticipated. But we came through it and hopefully things will get better for you, too.

Best of luck with Rosie. The wing boil and smell makes it sound that she may have paratyphoid, which is treatable with Baytril.
 

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I agree with you Birdmom4ever and you would think it would be Parathyphoid and I do have Baytril to treat with but nothing else matches and it really looks like the virus form of pmv but then again---there are no other symptoms---eats good and drinks good--flys strong if I let it not twisting or nothing like that---droppings great---no dehydrating---the wierd things : A unique smell just like Mr. Pretty (alias Tulip) had (he is in the main loft and everything good--doctors check on him wonderful---he is with twinkle toes and I nursed him for almost 5 weeks and he had real bad twisting and star gazing and had to support feeding---but not this one Rosie-----that smell is so different----and also what I am concerned about is a very large bump under the left wing----just like Al had---but this bird is a wild bird I discovered trying to break into my loft last week---and the wing slightly drags on the ground---just wierd for now ---so for now --I am just making sure it eats and drinks and keeping it warm and isolated until it goes to the vet on Thurs...It named Rosie because I played ring around the rosie with it for 40 minutes to capture it then I open up the outside loft door and it just walked in and I had it---it can fly....For now just observing----no medicine---just observing until vet day on Thursday and I will keep you all posted-----I have a feeling this is going to be a hell of a bird year---this stuff is just starting.....c.hert
 

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I think it may be parathyhoid too. Can mice get into your loft. c.hert?
 

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No way will I have mice and my loft is tight and I am not beyond mice poison but I have one of those electronic things you plug into the socket if you have to that mice and rats stay away because they don't like the noise---I really wish that if people respond to a thread that they read the thread and really understand whats happening---just a comment on my part and I apologize ahead of time---This is a wild pigeon---not one of mine---second one I found exactly look alike with the same wierd smell and I believe it is its nest mate (wild pigeon sick by my back door that I nursed for 5 weeks and it is well now and in the loft) but this one is called Rosie and will go to the vet on Thursday.. You asked me once before if I have mice in the loft and I said no ---and won't have them ---
So no mice Charis---the other bird had pmv (virus) with that smell and that birds name is Mr. Pretty (alias Tulip) and he is doing wonderful now and with Twinkle Toes.... I will keep you posted on this and Rosie goes to the vet on Thurs---everything else about the bird is normal except once in awhile goes in a day dream of sorts no twisting--everything else normal but right or left wing (forget right now) has a very large type of tumor ---not in the joint area---looks to me like a break that healed over or a tumor but the bird steps on its wing and drags it---thats what got my attention with this Wild Bird..
Thanks for your interest....c.hert The smell is very unique and I won't give the bird a bath until my vet gets a sniff of this and it makes my eyes water really bad and the other bird had it too--its like tear gas or something really odd--musty bad smell and this is what I need to know what this is about in case I have 50 falling out of tress or something---this is the second one----Thursday is the earliest I could get and the vet is a poison specialist at least his main paper was on that....c.hert
 

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That boil on the wing joint says bacterial infection in the joint somewhere. That can be Paratyphoid or some other infection, but you're never going to know what it is--only which antibiotic actually gets it once you start trying a few. Anymore, I usually start with a Clindamycin on those on the off chance that it's due to an Osteomyelitis (infection in the bone without respect to the exact pathogen). Baytril won't usually work when they present that way. Clindamycin is usually given as a liquid that you have to dose with a syringe down the throat. Most vets are going to tell you that you're crazy for wanting to give them that but it's actually mentioned in the avian veterinary books for that so you can quote chapter and verse if necessary.

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OK c. hert. I'm sure that the poision specialist will get to the bottom of it all. I'll be anxious to hear.
 

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Thank you for that information Pidgey and I just know it will come in handy when I am talking this out with him--thanks I will keep you posted---c.hert
 

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Update: Rosie seems to be doing fine other than the terrible smell that is receding but still hanging around. Rosie is eating and drinking and gaining weight and I am becoming very very attached to her---what a gorgous bird she is--a real even blue bar with I do think a broken wing---but the vet will tell me that---maybe not----nothing unusual--no fits no twisting no incorrination--just normal in every way except she goes into a trance sometimes and just sits there and see nothing--weird--I wrap her in a soft towel and set her on my lap and she really likes it and I massage her neck and head and crop and she really seems to like it---she took a bath on her own today and the water was really oily and I saved it for the vet---dried her off real good then went to home depot the poison section to see if I could pick up the smell--no luck there --the closest I got to the smell was a skunk abatement spray but I could not open it but read the directions and that was scarey in itself.. If I have to take rosey to the university to get the latest help for her wing I will---I am attached and she I can tell really like me....c.hert
 

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Well Rosie went to the vet today and the part of her wing past the wrist--cooresponding to us is crushed or small bones broke and has a lot of scar tissue around the area--an old injury---that has healed and has not affected her flying except in the finer movements and it hangs down on the ground somewhat--he was pleased with her overal health and has fine muscular deveopment and excellent weight eyes bright--no worms---no canker---feet fine---and I kept talking about the smell- and he smelled it but could not pick up what I was picking up on the smell---no sickness smell--but she did have some kind of a slight chemical smell to her and he told me to give her a bath and rinse her really well and keep warm and nicely dry her off with a towel and heating pads around to help dry but mostley keep her warm...There is nothing he can do for the scar tissue but he said that he would e-mail the university and send her xray and see what the latest is on this type of injury..just because I asked so she is back at home and eating and drinking and flying etc--perfectly happy....He said there are chemicals that make birds appear to have a virus or bacteria consisting in neurological symptoms --pestaicides-fumigates-poisons---etc etc (spelling) and even a slight trace can cause birds to go into trances or have fits but at this time rosie is healthy and we will just see what the university says about her carpals or whatever they are--could not keep up with him as he explaining the whole wing to me(you know how these doctors are and I am not as smart or quick as I want to be ) well anyway--no disease---and we will see what the university responds to his xrays and see what they can do if anything...
Pidgey: I did get in the question about Clindamycin for osteomyelitus and he said this was very good antibiotic and he uses it but it is for anaerobic bacteria that can live without oxygen and off he went to the other room and off I went to pay the bill..This was our visit Rosie and me to the vet...If the university has anything new---I will let you all know --and in time Rosey will go to the female section of my loft ..C.hert and I hope I get no more wild pigeons sick---this year....Tomorrow it will be bath time for our Miss Rosey.....
 

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That all sounds very encouraging. Even the fact that she took a bath herself is a good sign because sick birds don't bathe. Sounds as though she may indeed have encountered some type of harmful chemical, from whatever source. I'm so happy to hear she is bonding with you, too. Makes it a lot easier for them when they don't mind being in captivity.
 

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Glad to hear that she is healthy. She should enjoy a nice bath.
 

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This bird Rosie is a mess and she sure is a contender for a house bird and she is in my sink right now standing there looking at me and when I go to turn on the water by drippings she flys up to the top of the cabinet and then I sit down at the table and she flys to the table because I scattered seed around and she makes a big mess--I told her not to get use to things because eventually she will join the birds in the loft and have plenty of bird friends---still waiting to hear from the doctor about if the university has any real up to date techniques about her wing injury--just thought I would up date you. This bird really looks like a racing pigeon rather than a wild pigeon but sometimes they look alike I guess and she is just very very beautiful and very very smart and even with her wing she"s a silent and real strong flyer--I having fun with my Rosie...c.hert
 

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This wild pigeon rosie got her results back from the vet and I am so glad she is in quaranteen right now . Her fecal test came back with Coccidiosis in it and it might be higher in number because of stress the bird has and I need to give Rosie some Albon medicine and will pick it up at the vets tomorrown and also the doc is waiting for the university reply about the xray pictures of Rosie and what we can do for her hanging wing.--she will start the medicine tomorrow---and she is becoming a very nice house bird and her flying is really good and quiet considering she has some broken healed bones below her wrist (people term) don't know the name of it in pigeon bones maybe tarsels or something??? thought I would keep you posted on her---and it will be interesting to see what the university suggests about the xrays.....c.hert
 
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