Hi KABOOTER, First are you road traning or loft traning? Tipplers are high flyers that when trained properly will fly high above the loft for long periods of time like 10 -12 hours. They are not normaly trained like race birds as that is not what they were bred to do.Now I don't know what kind of loft you have but if its a regular type of back yard loft get some international orange paint and paint a tri- angle on the roof of the loft about 3 x 3 feet you also should be loft flying them at a much younger age by 3-4 months these birds are to strong on the wing GEORGE![]()