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How far was your training toss? Is this your first toss?
I started my birds out from across the highway, less than a mile from home, then I went one mile, then three, etc... Not all birds that do not make are bad homers, some are lost to hawks and probably other things.
I always like to start with my young birds. I take them out and put them on a platform in the yard an will let them stay there for a few hours. (As soon as they are feathered and able to eat by themselves, they go to the platform.) I have food and water on the platform for them and I think this helps with them getting used to me handling them, they also get to see the lay of the land and when they feel up to it, they can fly back to the loft.
So I guess they actually get their first training toss at only a few yards from home. I have not had homers in years and trying to remember everything I was taught is tough. I wonder if anyone else does this also?
 

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How far was your training toss? Is this your first toss?
I started my birds out from across the highway, less than a mile from home, then I went one mile, then three, etc... Not all birds that do not make are bad homers, some are lost to hawks and probably other things.
I always like to start with my young birds. I take them out and put them on a platform in the yard an will let them stay there for a few hours. (As soon as they are feathered and able to eat by themselves, they go to the platform.) I have food and water on the platform for them and I think this helps with them getting used to me handling them, they also get to see the lay of the land and when they feel up to it, they can fly back to the loft.
So I guess they actually get their first training toss at only a few yards from home. I have not had homers in years and trying to remember everything I was taught is tough. I wonder if anyone else does this also?
it was there 10th toss i started at i mile and worked my way up to 30 i had not lost one intill the second 30 miles toss this is what i was wonder can you lose that many at one time?
 

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Must be something in the air......:confused:......if you read my post about the race yesterday, you know what I mean. Just chatting with another guy who let his birds out yesterday and a couple of them just took off and haven't returned. Birds that had been flying for a couple of years. Doesn't make any sense at all to me..............
 

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Must be something in the air......:confused:......if you read my post about the race yesterday, you know what I mean. Just chatting with another guy who let his birds out yesterday and a couple of them just took off and haven't returned. Birds that had been flying for a couple of years. Doesn't make any sense at all to me..............


thats what i mean i have never loft a bird when flying and all the sudden 23 gone missing it sounds to odd to me
 

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Well, SOMEONE will come along in a little while and tell us that it's something that WE are doing wrong............whatever...:rolleyes:........
I know a few years ago I had 4 yearlings that had flown the whole YB season, just take off one day, never to be seen again. You loose them to hawks, wires, during training and races and sometimes a new YB will take off and not come back, but WHY would a bird (no, not A bird, 4 birds) just take off and never come back? The loft wasn't overcroweded. Hell, I even had boxes that had NO birds........PLENTY of room..............beats the heck outta me. :confused:
 

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maybe they wanted to be FREE!!!! I had a young male that knows home but would never trap. When the other birds are flying he'd join them but never come down with them he would leave. He did that for a couple of months than I never saw him again. At first I thought it was a hawk coming for my birds. LOL I was like ***********************. LOL

I figured he may have left with the wild ones that I've seen flying around, that may just be the case with yours.
 

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Sorry for your losses.... Some times it only takes a Low pressure front, or a high pressure front to Really mess them up. My worst toss was one from work, only about 6 miles... AFTER they had been out two sixty three or four times, that year. Let them out as normal about 1/2 mile from work, got out of the car at work and i KNEW i had screwed up! I could feel the temp had dropped way down and my ears were popping. As far as i am concerned, i would rather have them fly in rain than when the air Pressure changes rapidly.
These were old birds, never Raced but had been out over 3 or 4 years to about 250 miles out all those years in all directions except east.
Before i even thought about racing all i wanted was "always get home Homers" and that is what that team was.I think, JMHO, Sometimes they hit a wall of sudden air pressure change and refuse to fly though it and in trying to go around it end up in another state, or country for that matter and burn out.
Of the 30 i released that day i only got i think it was about 4 back.... over a period of about a week.Remember, these Birds were trained to HOME not to race my whole training was that they just get Home, and they had done that for years without fail, EVEN in rain storms. I believe it is Air Pressure changes are your worst enemy.THEN there are what i call dead zones, remember before i raced my whole Sport was training, i had one area about 15 miles from home a Quarry with high voltage lines and LOTS of Sat towers.This spot was in the direct route on the flight home from the West, When they were Young i would follow them home as best i could, and they would hang up at that spot most every time, circle and go off course around it once they had hit it a time or two. as old Birds when i tossed from the west, they did not slow down but veered off right before it, retook their line of Flight and continued home. i had watched this Behavior almost daily back then. And when i started Racing/training young birds i tried at first to take them north or south hoping to keep that area out of line until they had more training...JMHO Dave
 

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Sorry for your losses.... Some times it only takes a Low pressure front, or a high pressure front to Really mess them up. My worst toss was one from work, only about 6 miles... AFTER they had been out two sixty three or four times, that year. Let them out as normal about 1/2 mile from work, got out of the car at work and i KNEW i had screwed up! I could feel the temp had dropped way down and my ears were popping. As far as i am concerned, i would rather have them fly in rain than when the air Pressure changes rapidly.
These were old birds, never Raced but had been out over 3 or 4 years to about 250 miles out all those years in all directions except east.
Before i even thought about racing all i wanted was "always get home Homers" and that is what that team was.I think, JMHO, Sometimes they hit a wall of sudden air pressure change and refuse to fly though it and in trying to go around it end up in another state, or country for that matter and burn out.
Of the 30 i released that day i only got i think it was about 4 back.... over a period of about a week.Remember, these Birds were trained to HOME not to race my whole training was that they just get Home, and they had done that for years without fail, EVEN in rain storms. I believe it is Air Pressure changes are your worst enemy.THEN there are what i call dead zones, remember before i raced my whole Sport was training, i had one area about 15 miles from home a Quarry with high voltage lines and LOTS of Sat towers.This spot was in the direct route on the flight home from the West, When they were Young i would follow them home as best i could, and they would hang up at that spot most every time, circle and go off course around it once they had hit it a time or two. as old Birds when i tossed from the west, they did not slow down but veered off right before it, retook their line of Flight and continued home. i had watched this Behavior almost daily back then. And when i started Racing/training young birds i tried at first to take them north or south hoping to keep that area out of line until they had more training...JMHO Dave
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There could be a health issue....Pigeons that are not healthy will not home well...Also,if the K-Factor(Sun Spot) activity is high,that could hamper returns...Also pigeons not in good condition,will not home well...You just can`t take pigeons,out of your loft,after being locked up all winter, and take them 30 miles for a toss...They need to loft fly for a few weeks to get in some kind of flying shape,before you start training down the road...I don`t know what you have done with the birds the last month or so...Maybe you can fill us in about what the birds have been doing the last 30 days....Alamo
 

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There could be a health issue....Pigeons that are not healthy will not home well...Also,if the K-Factor(Sun Spot) activity is high,that could hamper returns...Also pigeons not in good condition,will not home well...You just can`t take pigeons,out of your loft,after being locked up all winter, and take them 30 miles for a toss...They need to loft fly for a few weeks to get in some kind of flying shape,before you start training down the road...I don`t know what you have done with the birds the last month or so...Maybe you can fill us in about what the birds have been doing the last 30 days....Alamo
trust me i checked all that and done it like loft fly for a few weeks
 

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yesterday went and took 30 obs 30 miles only got 7 back is this normal these my mates as well
Depends on what you mean by the term "normal".

I would say that IMO, this does not bode well for your OB race season. Since we really don't know why or how our pigeons return to a home loft in the first place, then it really sort of makes it difficult to explain why pigeons sometimes fail to make it home from a short training toss. If we ask 100 people on this site, you may very well get 100 different answers, which are really just a guess.

I can't really offer any better possible explanation then some which have already been offered. Sorry....
 

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I took 9, 2008 banded birds, forty miles for a training toss on Friday. One of which was a barless whose father was a 300 mile winner. The mother carried the barless gene but was not barless and didn't do much in competition.

I let them go in Ripley, Ohio, which is right on the Ohio river and they had to go over all country farm areas, and large wooded hills. Lots of hawks on the river area and all the way also, I assume. These birds (except for the barless) had been released there before

I got six together in good time. Two later together. The barless hasn't come home yet.

I don't expect her. I believe I pushed her too fast. She had only been out about 12 miles previously but being released with the flock gave me reason to assume she would do okay.

That's one of the things about breeding. You lose birds from certain pairings and one may assume that the breeder pairings were just not a good match and then you try those two birds onto other birds.

But, the ones that never came home could have been really good birds, but got hawk caught. Or you made a mistake of your own and it wasn't the birds fault.

You can't just try one pairing up of birds and go by those results. It's a numbers game, this pigeon sport.

A little off topic, but not really.
 

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Some of them should be back the next day. It is one of those mysterious thing. It could be some predators that scatters them, for example, etc. There are many reasons. Obviously those that returned are probably your best ones.
 
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