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As it says, two of my birds got out while I was cleaning. One is a birmingham roller male I have had for 2 1/2 months and one is a large white bird with speckles (the cere is smaller than a homer but I have no idea what kind of pigeon it is). He has a mate waiting in the cage for him and they have been mating all week. I have had him for 3 1/2 months. They have been outside in a covered cage since I got them but a week ago I started uncovering it during the day so they got a good look at their surroundings.

I saw them right after they got out. First they stood on the roof for a few minutes then they flew over the neighborhood veeeerrrryyy high (looked like dots) for about 10 minutes and then I lost them :( The roller was not going as high as the white bird but he still was going very high.

I have not seen them for an hour and a half. What are the chances they will come back? I am extremely disheartened. I JUST downsized to these three birds because I like the roller's color and I wanted one pair after losing my favorite girl, Claire, to my dog. And now I am down to one :(

Oh and it's a sunny clear day with minimal wind and it's currently 3:50 pm.
 

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not sure of the chances, but it should be good, becasue they usually know where home and feed is. but if they are not homers and they go too far, they may get lost. will they let you catch them if they do return?
 

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not sure of the chances, but it should be good, becasue they usually know where home and feed is. but if they are not homers and they go too far, they may get lost. will they let you catch them if they do return?

No, the do not like me :( (but If I see them again I am going to remove the female to a locked smaller cage inside the big one and just leave the door open to the big one, I might just do that now). I would bet money on them not being homers. I guess thats good and bad. Adult homers would go to their original home but non-homers might get lost and they were going REEEAAAALLY high and wide before I lost sight of them. Man, this really sucks. And my female is going to lay eggs any time now. What do I do with them......? If I could save one, I would like to. If I replace the eggs with dummies and keep one could I sneak it back to her after it's hatched? Could a single girl feed one baby enough? Can I incubate it without an incubator? This is all assuming dad isn't coming back just because I have never had a lot of luck and I don't see today being any different :(

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No, the do not like me :( (but If I see them again I am going to remove the female to a locked smaller cage inside the big one and just leave the door open to the big one, I might just do that now). I would bet money on them not being homers. I guess thats good and bad. Adult homers would go to their original home but non-homers might get lost and they were going REEEAAAALLY high and wide before I lost sight of them. Man, this really sucks. And my female is going to lay eggs any time now. What do I do with them......? If I could save one, I would like to. If I replace the eggs with dummies and keep one could I sneak it back to her after it's hatched? Could a single girl feed one baby enough? Can I incubate it without an incubator? This is all assuming dad isn't coming back just because I have never had a lot of luck and I don't see today being any different :(

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yea if they high tailed it out of there, does'nt seem good, but leaving the cage open is a good idea. if you REALLY want the egg to hatch you would have to leave it under her and then let her raise it with a bit of help from you, or could end up being alot of help from you. If you are up to the task of raising one then you have to decided that. it is not easy. how old is the egg?
 

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yea if they high tailed it out of there, does'nt seem good, but leaving the cage open is a good idea. if you REALLY want the egg to hatch you would have to leave it under her and then let her raise it with a bit of help from you, or could end up being alot of help from you. If you are up to the task of raising one then you have to decided that. it is not easy. how old is the egg?
I am up for it....I just thought i'd have to remove it b/c dad wouldn't be there to sit on it.....will females sometimes take up the whole task of incubation by themselves?

She has not layed the eggs yet. Last night I thought she was gonna b/c she started sitting in the nest more than usual and acting weird (turning around and panting) but nothin happened and she is back to normal now. Once a female has started to internally form eggs will they reabsorb them if the male disapeers? I recently gave them a nest after removing it for the winter. That was a week and a half ago. The next day they started really courting and for the past 5 days or so they have been mating a lot, actualy mating not just flirting....
 

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There are folks here who know a whole lot more than I do BUT ... I have just had 1 young cock breed with 2 hens (1 is 2y/o and 1 is 1 y/o). The cock has not done much for either hen. The 2y/o has a beautiful, healthy, now weaned baby (Luna) and the 1y/o is currently sitting on her 2 eggs (dad relieves her for only about 10min/day). I give her an occasional break by sticking my hand under her & covering the eggs. She seems to then feel the eggs are safe enough for her to take a bit of a break, take a flyer around the loft, get drink, and come back. I sure wouldn't sacrifice those eggs UNLESS mom shows some distress. Keep food & water near her so she doesn't have to go far for it and try sticking your hand under her and covering the eggs so that she can take a break without worrying about the eggs.
 
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I think you shouldnt worry just yet but if they dont return to the area by tomorrow you maybe could just let the hen lay her eggs replace one with a dummy and see if she goes thru the motions and hatches a baby out ..I say let only one hatch out because its alot of work for a single parent and she might not set it all the way thru without a mate to begin with ,but she might so you can at least give it a try :eek:
 

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I think you shouldnt worry just yet but if they dont return to the area by tomorrow you maybe could just let the hen lay her eggs replace one with a dummy and see if she goes thru the motions and hatches a baby out ..I say let only one hatch out because its alot of work for a single parent and she might not set it all the way thru without a mate to begin with ,but she might so you can at least give it a try :eek:
That sounds like a good plan. keeps us posted.:)
 

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Oh no, I'm so sorry they got out. I've had some that did the same thing, flying very high and then returning the next day or the third day. So don't give up hope. And all this happening right after you lost Claire, too. :( That sucks!! I would post on CL just for the heck of it, and even make some posters/signs to put up around the neighborhood, and obviously check CL and check with the shelters to make sure they don't end up there. I hope they come back. I've had ferals come back and even a dove/pigeon hybrid who I thought had NO chance of "homing". So there's always a good chance. Keep us posted!
 

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Kimberly, how old is this hen? IF she's older and has raised babies in the past she MIGHT stay with the eggs full term (18 to 19 days), but there's really no way to know unless you try her and see what she does.
Depending on when she actually lays the egg.........even though she WAS mated and they DID actually mate, there's a good chance the egg may not be fertile. In Levi Wendells book, "The Pigeon", he states that the actual act of mating needs to occur within 24 hours of the egg being laid.
There's still a chance that one or both of the birds might come back. No way to know really.......just have to watch for them and if they DO return, figure out how to get them back in the loft. Don't know what kind of set up you have, but if the male SHOULD return, putting his hen in a cage and setting it up somewhere where he can see her might help him stick around and come back inside.
 

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In Levi Wendells book, "The Pigeon", he states that the actual act of mating needs to occur within 24 hours of the egg being laid.


That is good info there. I did not know that it was such a short time frame. I really want that book, when I save up for it that is.:)
 

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In Levi Wendells book, "The Pigeon", he states that the actual act of mating needs to occur within 24 hours of the egg being laid.


That is good info there. I did not know that it was such a short time frame. I really want that book, when I save up for it that is.:)
I probably should have said I "think" that's what it says. I KNOW that he gives a time frame and I'm like 95% sure it's 24 hours. I just know that the pair can't mate today, never mate again and a fertile egg be laid 3 or 4 days from now.
I'll look it up and make sure.
 
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I saw one for sale the other day in my travels thru the web going for I think 40$ plus shipping but for the life of me cant remember where that was :confused:
 

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Well guys they are still not back yet. It's 6pm and turning into evening now :(
They have been out for several hours now. I'll keep food around and keep the cage open and my dog inside for the night but I am losing hope....and looking to the future. Now I guess I can plan for babies with the markings I want since I can pair her up with any of the hundreds of birds on my craigslist.

Like, what would I get if I paired her with a non-grizzle red check or bar? Or a grizzle red bar or check? I am not solid of what grizzle actually entailes. I believe at the moment that it means different colors on the same feather but I am still unclear. She is all white with red/yellow eyes and some red small spots on her head, and now that I look closer, her body.

I am still very new with the whole colors and patterns thing. What I really need is a foundation..if there is anyone with a link to a website that explains the real basics that would be great. Everything I read seems to be aimed at people who already have that foundation....

I am going to post in genetics but since it was relevent I thought I would post the question here too....but feel free to answer in the other one...or this one, whichever, I will read both.

Wolfwood, that is good to hear, now I just gotta hope she lays in the next 24 hours....I have a heat lamp I could aim a little more near the nest. Don't wanna overheat anything but I think it would be a good idea...

Maryjane, I will do those things. Though, these birds were very weary of me or anyone else....I think maybe that adds to the factors going against them, either coming back or getting caught by someone else.

Lovebirds, no idea on the age. No idea really anything about these birds (the pair, not the roller). The person I got them from wasn't the owner, just someone who rescued them.All I know is I suspect the pair were not only lovers, but siblings due to the fact that they were identical aside from a slight size diff (male/female)

Spirit, that is good to know. I will pray for an egg by 2marro. She is hanging around in the nest...I feel so bad for her, I don't like the idea of her mourning her mate :(
 

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Darn, I'd hoped to read good news! :( If it means anything, mine weren't tame either when they escaped. Only had one that didn't come back. The ones that got out over the years were mostly ferals that had adapted to my aviary. I hope yours are smart enough to return to a good thing! :eek: I'll keep my fingers crossed.
 

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Well, she just laid an egg within the past half hour. Her mate has been gone for 24 hours now but I don't really know when they last mated, but it could easily have been yesterday morning. I will candle it in a few days. Do you think it would matter if I took out the next one but did not replace it with a dummy egg (I do not have one yet). Since there is no chance it is fertile....
 

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Well, she just laid an egg within the past half hour. Her mate has been gone for 24 hours now but I don't really know when they last mated, but it could easily have been yesterday morning. I will candle it in a few days. Do you think it would matter if I took out the next one but did not replace it with a dummy egg (I do not have one yet). Since there is no chance it is fertile....
you can leave both and candle them in 5 days or so.and see what you have. it won't hurt to leave the second egg as not to disturb her too much. in the mean time get the fake eggs for when you may need them. oh the suspense!:)
 

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It's kind of bittersweet.......sucks she has to try and raise it all by herself....I wonder what she is thinking? She has been sitting on it for an hour now. I am going to put her food in the nest with her and her water right next to it. I will just leave both egga and candle both like you said in a few days. I'll update everybody when I know if it's fertile or not......I really do hope this baby has a chance, it would make them flying away a little less sad, at least he would have a chance to leave his legacy.

And I have seen pigeons around here, no more than a block away I saw a small flock of blue bars, about 7.....maybe dad and the other male will find them or join up with some others and at least it's the end of winter.....
 
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