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I have what might be a stupid question. Is it the personna or fact that the masters of pigeon racing in europe are the best in the world? Is it that racing is a much bigger sport, longer history than the US, or is it just the perception of this? I know that it is a very big enterprise in europe, where as in the US, for most it is a hobby, and love of the sport. Thanks for any input, Don.
 

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I have what might be a stupid question. Is it the personna or fact that the masters of pigeon racing in europe are the best in the world? Is it that racing is a much bigger sport, longer history than the US, or is it just the perception of this? I know that it is a very big enterprise in europe, where as in the US, for most it is a hobby, and love of the sport. Thanks for any input, Don.
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It is sort of like high school football. If you have a really big high school, you have more students and therefore more "stock" to choose your players from. The larger high schools generally win against smaller high schools.

But not always :)

In Belgium, what is the current ratio of homes with pigeon lofts? One out of every three? In the U. S., what do you think the ratio is? Maybe one out of every half million?

I'm just making these numbers up, but you get the idea.
 

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It is sort of like high school football. If you have a really big high school, you have more students and therefore more "stock" to choose your players from. The larger high schools generally win against smaller high schools.

But not always :)

In Belgium, what is the current ratio of homes with pigeon lofts? One out of every three? In the U. S., what do you think the ratio is? Maybe one out of every half million?

I'm just making these numbers up, but you get the idea.
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The first thing you have to consider is, pigeon racing started in Europe. Because of that, people will probably always consider Europe the best in racing, if merely for that reason. It's as if every european has it breed into them.

Next is the number of people and birds competeing. Over there everywhere you look you have thousands of birds in races. Most places in the US don't get as many birds OR as long of races as in Europe. So therefore, their birds seem superior because they must have the ability to take those kind of obstacles and win.

As to whether our birds or their birds are better, who knows? I'd say a good racing pigeon is a good racing pigeon, regardless of where it came from. Gotta breed the horses for the courses, and across the world there's a lot of different 'horses' and a lot of different corses, all of which come with at least one champion. That champ may not be a champ anywhere but there, so you can't really say one's better than the other.
 

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Pigeon racing originated there and homers were made there as well. The races are more stringent--birds compete with lots of birds and frequent. Pigeon racing is their national sport there (Belgium). I think here in America it could be baseball or football.

What I am saying is that the selection process is more severe there. When competition is hard the pigeon that wins there is probably better than those that race against few birds here.

Obviously there is that reputation, too.
 

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Well I for one believe that racing is much tougher here just stop and think about the different race courses that we fly here in the USA. They fly many 100KM races remember this 100KM= only 60 miles and that is a training toss here in the USA,so a300 KM race for them is only 180 miles here. We have flyers in HAWAII that race their birds over the ocean, we have courses over the ROCKEY mountians, and over deserts. We have imported their birds for over 100 years and many good breeders here have developed home grown birds from those imports that I feel are as good as theirs but we have this thing that you need to import birds.Yes the birds are from EUROPE but many of the lofts here have strains that they bred that as good as those back there so don't sell our birds short. Think about it GEORGE;)
 

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I think the only opportunity you really have to compare the quality of the birds would be international one loft races, like South Africa. Otherwise you can't really compare European vs American, just like you can't even compare YPM in two different U.S. races. The weather and the course conditions are just too different around the country. The thing is, the one loft races also remove the handling/training capabilities of the fancier, and really make it a comparison of their skills at matching stock birds. I suppose someone could buy top quality birds, get some babies and send them to a one loft race, and do well. The true test would be how they did over a number of seasons.
 

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Brummie, your comments border on the edge of threats. This will be my last comment directed to you!
I did not see anything that bordered on a threat in his postings. Unless I missed something that was deleted.

Changing the subject back to USA vs Europian birds.

When the Europians do come up with very superior birds, the first thing that happens is that someone in another country buys that bird. But of course the Europians have offspring already and also the parents and siblings of the great bird. So, they ain't missing a beat really.

Plus, I truly believe that more "over there" take it very serious and live "it". Some here do of course, but many do not. So let's say that 30% of the flyers here take it very very serious. How many birds does that come out to versus if 30% of the flyers "over there" take it very very serious. A million to one?

We have birds here that are just as good as those over there, but that is because we bought many of their good ones. We are behind, IMHO, but only by an inch. If somone here with known really good birds wanted to enter a couple in the African Million Dollar race, I would be willing to back them with a hundred or two dollars, just for the sheer pleasure of having a bird to root for. Maybe others would be willing to do the same.

Then let's see.

Of course, then someone from Taiwan or Japan will win and the question would not be answered. Besides, there is the luck factor in a single race.

Overall though, we (I am American and don't like saying this, but truth is truth) are on inch behind in producing great ones. IMO.

But, we can kick "their" butts in so many other things. Baseball, basketball, football, etc.

But then again. There is tennis, soccer, etc.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN!
 

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From what I read victor venazuela started a syndicate for the USA and it includes many of the top dogs to fly the samdr it's quite an impressive list of people they are still accepting applications. Then we will see who's pigeons are the best for many years to come.

I believe if u take our all American flyers and put them in Europe many will be on top with the rest of them 2. It's just that our country is so big, that's why many of them are in springhill strictly to fly pigeons.
 

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Well I for one believe that racing is much tougher here just stop and think about the different race courses that we fly here in the USA. They fly many 100KM races remember this 100KM= only 60 miles and that is a training toss here in the USA,so a300 KM race for them is only 180 miles here. We have flyers in HAWAII that race their birds over the ocean, we have courses over the ROCKEY mountians, and over deserts. We have imported their birds for over 100 years and many good breeders here have developed home grown birds from those imports that I feel are as good as theirs but we have this thing that you need to import birds.Yes the birds are from EUROPE but many of the lofts here have strains that they bred that as good as those back there so don't sell our birds short. Think about it GEORGE;)
Very well put George!I have flown here and in England.There almost two differant world's when it comes to pigeons. Both have there merit's.
I found out very quickly I could not fly my bird's the same way I did in England. My loft was built on a " European" concept...A minus thirty degree day in the winter, and a hundred degree day in the summer.I think it took me ten years to get the loft "right".I'm straying from the subject, but all is relative.
Just my opinion, I think we, as American pigeon flyer's underestimate ourselve's.
 

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I did not see anything that bordered on a threat in his postings. Unless I missed something that was deleted.

Changing the subject back to USA vs Europian birds.

When the Europians do come up with very superior birds, the first thing that happens is that someone in another country buys that bird. But of course the Europians have offspring already and also the parents and siblings of the great bird. So, they ain't missing a beat really.

Plus, I truly believe that more "over there" take it very serious and live "it". Some here do of course, but many do not. So let's say that 30% of the flyers here take it very very serious. How many birds does that come out to versus if 30% of the flyers "over there" take it very very serious. A million to one?

We have birds here that are just as good as those over there, but that is because we bought many of their good ones. We are behind, IMHO, but only by an inch. If somone here with known really good birds wanted to enter a couple in the African Million Dollar race, I would be willing to back them with a hundred or two dollars, just for the sheer pleasure of having a bird to root for. Maybe others would be willing to do the same.

Then let's see.

Of course, then someone from Taiwan or Japan will win and the question would not be answered. Besides, there is the luck factor in a single race.

Overall though, we (I am American and don't like saying this, but truth is truth) are on inch behind in producing great ones. IMO.

But, we can kick "their" butts in so many other things. Baseball, basketball, football, etc.

But then again. There is tennis, soccer, etc.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN!
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Brummie, your comments border on the edge of threats. This will be my last comment directed to you!
Don't mind him....he's got major issues! :D There's always one in every family, lol!
 
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