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My hen that has been ill for 2 months now has taken a new direction. (Previous posted as sick, thin, bird) Yesterday there was blood in her stool. In researching I believe she either has tumors or an infected ovarian duct. I have not been able to locate a veteranarian any closer than 2 hours away from me. Based on the information on this site, I believe I need to treat her with Baytril. My local vet has Baytril on hand and is willing to dispense to me. Could someone please tell me what is the correct dosage for her, how long to give it to her, etc.
Thanks so much!
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The last one I had with a (different) bacterial infection I dosed at 0.2 ml per day for 10 days. He was (then) around 290 grams, and recovered well in a few days. This was 2.5 % Baytril, and the dosage was confirmed by a vet who calculated it based on the bird's weight.

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thanks john. i'm hoping someone comes on and agrees with my self-diagnosis is correct along with how i should treat her
 

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Blood in the stool can be an indication of giardia, worms ovi infection and more. I would treat with not just the baytril but also metronidazole.
Can your vet at least do a fecal exam? It needs to be fresh poop.
How much does this bird weigh?
What is the strength of the baytril?
Is your vet willing to do a consult with a vet that is experienced in treating birds? Perhaps even a veterinary college that has a program for students that want to specialize in avian medicine?
 

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Thanks Charis. I was really hoping you'd come on since you've been so helpful. I'm sure I can get a fresh sample and take to to my local animal vet. Is metronidazole something an animal vet would have on hand? When I weighed her earlier in the week it was 11.4 ounces. I'm not sure what that converts to in grams (not mathematically ingellingent). I called the vet for the strenth of the baytril he has. He has both liquid and pills. When I asked the strenght of the oral he said "100ml per cc". He said he has a variety of tablets - 22.5 up to 137 with several in between.
The vet is an old-timer and not really very helpful. He only suggested another local vet which I've dealt with before who wasn't knowledgeable about birds.
In the meantime I've found another vet about an hour away, but haven't been able to get through on the phone yet.
I'm not sure where the closest vet college is, but I would guess 2 hours away in Pittsburgh, PA. That's where the other avian vets I found are at.
 

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Your best bet is to find a veterinarian that can make a proper diagnosis. I think it would be worth the drive. Metronidazol is an antibiotic that you vet should have on hand.
Back to the baytril...is she eating and passing the food through her system? if so, you can give her 1/2 of the 22.7 pills one time a day. According to my vet, a once a day baytril treatment works best for birds and so that's what I do.
Keep in mind, that giving her baytril will make any kind of diagnosis difficult, once she's been on it for a few days.
While she is on the baytril, she should also be on nystatin, which your vet should also have. It will keep her from getting a yeast infection. She will need 0.4ML every 12 hours, based upon the dosing instructions for a bird of similar weight, given to me by my vet.
 

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Baytril dosage is 15mg/kg (my avian vet says all her avian vet colleagues say BID is best, even though Baytril recommends QD dosing for pigeons).

11.4 oz is about 325 grams.

15 mg * .325 = 4.9 mg twice daily

If you use the 100mg/ml solution, you'd need .05 of that (half of .1 cc) twice a day. If you're pilling with the 22.7 tablets, you'd need just under a quarter tab twice a day. If you're doing once a day, then use same amount but just once.

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This vet that's an hour away is the vet my daughter takes her dogs too. She said he's an avian specialist. I have been trying to get through for almost an hour now with a constant busy signal. She also said his prices are very reasonable so my plan is to get her there if I can get through on the phone. I have until 3:00 when my animal vet closes to get the meds you mentioned, so hopefully I will be able to get through to the avian vet before then and get her in there. I would rather take her there and get an accurate diagnosis before starting her on Baytril.
 

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Thanks guys. I still can't get through on the phone, so I've decided I'm packing her up and driving up there! If they can't see me at least I'll get an appt as soon as possible.
I'll let you know what I find out.
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Handy to have on hand...

Handy Baytril dosing chart for all animals. Manufacturer's recommended dosing instructions differer from species to species. Scroll down toward the end of instructions to birds. Specific instructions for Pigeons are toward the bottom.

http://www.baytril.com/index.php/fuseaction/elwin/elwinID/225.htm
 

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Well, I made the hour long drive and back from the vet's office. The avian vet was not in today, but I managed to get them to let me come at 8:00AM on Monday morning to wait and be seen.
When I discovered the bloody stool last evening I didn't give her any more of the Albon suspension that she had for 4 days. I don't plan on giving her any tonight either so that the vet can get a clean fecal test. Just hope Monday isn't too late for any treatments. Please keep her in your animal prayers.
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I have never used one of these online vets, but you might want to. or just do as Charis has said, , but here is a link to one of those online vets.
http://www.justanswer.com/veterinar...ountWideOmar&gclid=CKnfh8WK8ZsCFQpgswod6GQt_A
I used the online experts on that site (one of my dogs wasn't well and there were no local vets open at the time). The expert I spoke to seemed to know what she was talking about but on closer inspection of the site it seems anyone can be an expert, they don't really check! Still, sometimes it's better than nothing at all.

Best of luck with your little hen, I hope she makes a speedy and fast recovery. Bless you for everything you're doing for her!
 
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