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I have told friends about my Racing Pigeon hobby I had as a teen,
and some have commented it bothers them to see birds in a cage.

I agree. Seeing beautiful birds, wild or cage-bred, in a tiny cage
where they can do no more than jump from stick to stick all day,
does make me sad for the birds. They will never know again, or
never know, the joy of flying free.

However, with my Racing Pigeons, I didn't feel that way. Every
day I would release them to fly free outside. They joyously
enjoyed the freedom of the sky for an hour or two or three.....
and then would voluntarily return to their home in my loft where
they were safe, comfortable and well-fed.

My loft wasn't a prison for them....it was a luxury hotel. They
were free to leave and never return on any of their daily
releases, but they always came back.

As for the show breeds, it is complicated. These have been bred
in captivity for so many generations, and in their present man-made
form never existed in nature in the first place, that I don't think of
them as being "imprisoned." I imagine that the would also choose to
return to the loft, like my Racers, if allowed to roam free in the yard,
IF it were safe for them, which it is not, with feral cats and outdoor
pet cats roaming around. Man has certainly bred them so they cannot
possibly survive in the wild....a Fantail or Pouter with long, gangly legs
and feathers on his feet, would be lunch for some predator in hours.

The other pet bird species are another matter. I used to fantasize about
having enough money to build a huge aviary where all the beautiful,
exotic species we see in the pet shops in tiny cages could live technically in captivity but still have room to fly relatively "free."

I don't mean to criticize those who have such birds.....I wanted to own
Love Birds for years as a kid, but could not keep them in my room because
of asthma and an allergy to feathers (down pillows ....no way). However,
I do feel sorry for the little things in those tiny cages.

Just thinking out loud.

Just had another thought...do you think it is cruel to breed any animal,
bird or otherwise so that it can't feed its own young? I am thinking of
the Owl Pigeons whose beaks are too short to feed their young. Is
that the arrogance of man gone too far.

Stream of consciousness here, sorry. I'll hush.:D

Love and peace,
Glenn
 

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I'm new also to the pigeon family. I did not know that the owl pigeon couldn't feed there young. I'm assuming that the person raising the owl pigeons have to feed the young. Right!! I guess I never thought about it but you are right. I also believe everything can live happily together with some work. I think feral cats should be fixed and not killed just because they are homeless. I think if people want the fancy breeds that can't fly should provide them with a big safe aviary that is predator proof. People that kill caged possum or raccoons just to keep there pigeon safe is so WRONG. And its sad to say that there are a few people on here that do that. I won't mention any names but they know who they are and they should be ashamed of themselves. Welcome to the boards and I have a feeling we will be seeing each other around. min
 

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Hey, Mindy! Thanks for the private message. You seem like a very
loving, tender-hearted person. We may have some different perspectives, but I think we can become good friends with a little give and take when
necessary.

I love nature, love birds....but I am also an environmentalist and
conservationist. I am not a scientist, but I do look at animal issues
from the perspective of a biologist or scientist.

The feral cat problem is very unfortunate and it also a crisis for our
native bird species in this country. I admire those who put a lot
of time, love and energy into the trap, neuter and release programs.
However, the Audubon Society and American Bird Conservancy have
stated that biologists and experts agree that feral cats should
never be put back in the environment, period. Cat groups have a lot
of funding and should use it to house the ferals they catch, as many
don't make good pets.

Cats are not native to this country. They are exotic or "invasive"
species...and they have upset the predator/prey balance of nature
to the point that our native songbird species populations are being
decimated. The well-intentioned trap/neuter/release people cannot
keep up with the exploding populations of feral cats. Sadly, at some
point they will have to be destroyed, like any invasive species that
has gotten out of control. I know that would upset you terribly...
but we cannot let emotion allow our native birds to be driven to
extinction. In Australia, some of their very unique native birds
are actualy being threatened with extinction because of feral
cats. Mindy.....it is NOT the cats' fault....I don't blame them. Man
did this....thru carelessness....both in Australia and here. Unfortunately,
it means having to destroy some living creatures.

Surely you don't think the native songbirds' lives are less important
than the cats? I know you don't feel that way.....but refusing
to destroy ferals will decimate songbird populations. It isn't "natural"
as some would argue. Cats killing birds are certainly just following
instinct....but nature never intended them to be in the wild in this
country...never intended them to be one of the many natural
predators of birds.

Research has shown that cats are one of the few
animals that kill for pleasure, not just food (which confirms why
I find them creepy)....and that means that feeding them does not
stop them from killing birds. Though I admittedly don't like cats,
I am not biased toward birds when it comes to this issue of feral
anything. Green Parrots in South Florida are an invasive species
that is overwhelming native birds and I favor destroying them as
well.

Mindy, it may sound cold or cruel.....but NOT destroying
an out-of-control invasive species means disaster for OTHER
NATIVE species. Your kind hearted self would prefer that all live
in harmony and peace....nature doesn't work that way....and
letting ferals drive native birds to extinction is just as cruel
and wrong as you feel it is to destroy them.

As for killing trapped Raccoons and Possums to protect
pets, I agree it is wrong. Those animals are native species
and they belong in the environment...and it is wrong to
kill them to protect pets and animals we have brought
into the environment for our pleasure. Build safer
lofts and cages.....but leave the native predators alone.
It reminds me of the criticism Martha Stewart got for
saying Jessica Simpson should have kept her pet safe
from coyotes (when it was taken and killed). Martha
was right...the coyotes are native predators and our
dogs and cats are NOT native species. It is up to the
pet owner to keep these vulnerable, nonnative species
indoors, leashed or protected. To kill a native coyote
for simply killing for food rather than keep your poodle
or cat safe indoors....is absurd.

Well, we will talk more about this later...it is bedtime.

SMOOCHES (is that allowed here?)!!!!

Love and peace,
Glenn
 
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sometimes caging your birds gives them a fuller life then they would have flying free ..thats all there is too it ;)
 

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I'm new also to the pigeon family. I did not know that the owl pigeon couldn't feed there young. I'm assuming that the person raising the owl pigeons have to feed the young. Right!! I guess I never thought about it but you are right. I also believe everything can live happily together with some work. I think feral cats should be fixed and not killed just because they are homeless. I think if people want the fancy breeds that can't fly should provide them with a big safe aviary that is predator proof. People that kill caged possum or raccoons just to keep there pigeon safe is so WRONG. And its sad to say that there are a few people on here that do that. I won't mention any names but they know who they are and they should be ashamed of themselves. Welcome to the boards and I have a feeling we will be seeing each other around. min
Hi MINDY, I raise Italian owls and I have a loft full of them that were raised by their parents. So it is not completely true that they can not raise their young .There are some in the owl famoly that do an outstanding with their young. GEORGE;)
 

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Thanks george for letting me know about your owl pigeons. I'm going to do some research of my own after this subect got started. Do you have pictures on your profile page of your owl pigeons? I'll go look. Thanks again. min
 

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Thanks george for letting me know about your owl pigeons. I'm going to do some research of my own after this subect got started. Do you have pictures on your profile page of your owl pigeons? I'll go look. Thanks again. min
Hi Mindy,

I don't think George has any pictures posted here .. check out the 11th picture here 2009 LAPC YB Lawn Show That is one of George's Italian Owl's. If you look through all the pictures, you will find a couple of other Owl pics.

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Thanks george for letting me know about your owl pigeons. I'm going to do some research of my own after this subect got started. Do you have pictures on your profile page of your owl pigeons? I'll go look. Thanks again. min
Hi MINDY, Go to www.NIOFC.com there you will see ITALIAN OWLS and FIGURITAS and the two paintings at the beginning show the difference between the two. GEORGE;)
 

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Thanks For the info guys, and gals, will check it out. min

Boy, I can't believe all the different birds. They were beautiful, are should I say they are beautiful. That Black African Owl, that guy didn't have a beck, can they still feed there young. Or that English Trumpeter. or that Long Faced Muffed Tumbler. OMG. they were amazing. The Jacobin was another beauty. Really enjoyed the pics. I need to get out more, did not know they came in such a big variety. LOVED THE PICS.

O I almost forgot, george you were cute also. min
 
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