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Well, an issue came across today of size of the loft I would like to build. Now my mother knows my plans for an 8 x 4 and was completely agreeing with it till of course someone against the whole idea started talking so she said to me "build something small to see if you like the whole idea" lol... i thought 8 x 4 was small I have all these guys with HUGE lofts which can be discouraging and I thought that was a good size for me. My point of view on the matter is it will cost me like 150$ to build a small 3 x 3 loft that I can't stand in... how can anyone enjoy a hobby like that without being able to stand in there and handle the birds? Anyways I live in a neighborhood community (but theres no ordinance against pigeons or anything like that I already checked) and shes worried that they'll be pooping all over the roof and neighbors roofs and is worried they'll start complaining, I plan on just training them and not loft flying them so that shouldn't be an issue right? after flying 20+ miles I would think they have pooped somewhere else, plus the fact that they are supposed to be flying on empty stomaches. So, is my mother correct should I build a smaller loft to see if I like racing, etc. or argue my 8 x 4 loft plan idea?

Thanks A Ton,

Shokri


P.S. Considering I do live in a neighborhood I have about 2 acres though, and I do not plan on getting a bigger loft 8 x 4 but might add on 3ft to it. So keep in mind I will never have something huge.
 

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I agree with you about wanting to stand in the loft....i would go with 8x4 if that is the biggest you plan on going anyway...why build something small only to have to keep adding and make it bigger at some point down the road. I honestly dont think birds poop that much on a roof and if they do so what...its not like i am up there trying to take a nap or have my lunch so it does not bother me if they do.....you will have to do some loft flying at the beginning before you start to train....thats just the way it is..i would never take a bird down the road if it has not loft flown for atleast a month...now there is only one way to find out what will happen and that is to build a loft and see what happens...i would talk to your neighbors first and answer any questions they may have about the birds before you get them....alot of people think they dont like pigeons and its only because they are working off of bad information. Hope it works out for you, good luck! Oh to answer your questioin i started out with a 10x12 loft for racing and 8x12 for breeding...but what i have is not what is needed to getting started, your 8x4 will be just fine.
 

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Well I'm with you on that roof thing, but if they find it an issue then I have to try and not make it one.


Kind of a change in subject here but is there a way when they are young to get them out there and exercising to just be flying the whole time and not land anywhere they shouldn't?
 

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I started with a 4X8 loft in Nov of 2008(The starter loft on the redrose web site). I built another 4X8 in April of 2009. I will be adding a 10X16 next month. Not sure it would be wise to discuss this progression with your Mother though. LOL I believe that the suggested space per pigeon is 1.5 square feet per bird. I adopted pigeons from 3 different lofts that were closing down because of deaths or sickness of the pigeon owners and was trying to stay ahead of overcrowding.
 

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I started with a 4x6 loft just to see how I would like it and cause funds were low. I wish I could just turn the 30x40 garage into a loft now though. I think 4x8 is good to start off with and don't recommend going any smaller if you can help it. I have some pics of mine in my albums if you are looking for ideas.
 

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go with the 4x8. A loft is never big enough. Definitely don't go any smaller than that. You wouldn't be happy with it, and if going inside and handling the birds is what you want, than you would never be happy with smaller. It just isn't the same experience if you can't get inside with them. 6X8 would be even better. And I think you will love having the birds.

As far as them landing on other peoples roofs, they should never do that. Talk to your neighbors and ask them if they would mind if you gently bounce a tennis ball onto their roof if need be to teach your birds that they shouldn't be landing there. I bet they won't mind if it teaches the birds to go home! LOL.
 

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I agree, a 4x8 is barely big enough to turn around in, it's kinda a pain to clean too.
I've been there, and I've also had a larger loft also.
As time progressed, for me, I've eventually gone to a 4x4x8 up on legs, with 3 sections, and less pigeons.
For me, it's the easiest loft to clean, but I don't have a lot of pigeons either, again, been there.
If you are planning on getting into racing, that's one thing, but if you are planning on just having a few pet pigeons, that's another.
Be happy that you can Even have any! My parents wouldn't allow it, I had to wait till I grew up, turned 30, and got married!
I guess, what your mom might be worried about is, what if you are gone, sometimes, (sports, ect.?) Can she handle that many for you, untill you are back.
Look at it from her point of view, after all, isn't she willing to help out sometimes?
Team up.
 

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tell your mom, if you ever do get out if it, it can become a nice storage shed..... I used this with my hubby and it worked, so I got a 8x16 out it and then later another 8x10 with an 8x10 flight cage off it.. soooo if you put it that way perhaps she will be more willing to have as big as you can afford... which I would advise... everyone that builds a loft always says.."I wish I would of built it bigger" this does not sound like a fly by night thing with you, you have put alot of research and are talking to club members and things, so.... get what you want now, so you don't have to rebuild or add on later. JMO :)
 

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If you train your birds well they will not sit on rooftops or sit around your yard unless you want them too. Well trained birds will imediately trap after flying. You'll have some males that will coo and strut their stuff for a few minutes but they will trap once you give the command.
 

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I started when I was a child and we just build what we can out of scrap wood, I think my first one was about 3' X 3' and I have a lot of birds back then.
 

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My first loft was the shed I parked the Harley in 5ft by 8ft didn't take long and it was over crowded so I added on then it was over crowded. Now I have a 12 ft by 18 ft with 4 sections and a 2 ft walk way across the back, and I hope I never have to add on any more.
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bcr1 - thats a really nice loft for its size, really impressive and gave me some ideas!

Jay3 - good idea with the tennis ball thing

ND Cooper - yea she always does help in some way, as far as sports go 97% of my track meet are done by like 10 a.m in the morning so I guess she will have to do something lol.

spirit wings - lol I know I told her that was kind of useful since they are trying to get another shed to put firewood in and I've read all types of ideas as far as square footage per bird, but I had planned to follow the 1.5 one (not completely) like 8 X 4 = 32 / 1.5 = 21.3 so like put in 20 birds or 18 birds? But in the end its all on the birds personalities and what they feel comfortable with I guess.


g0ldenb0y55, thanks for the words of encouragement I believe I read that somewhere too

Crazy Pete - interesting story about giving up the Harley parking spot, for pigeons, I bet many would think your crazy by doing that, no pun intended lol.

But thanks a lot everyone!

My family's on board for an 8 x 4 but I can probably make it up to an 8 x 6, I'm not sure what to build yet, but I'm thinking if I built an 8 x 4 it would be easier to expand it into an 8 x 8 later on in the future then it would be to make an 8 x 6 one bigger, I haven't decided yet.

Again Thanks,
Shokri
 

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I've read all types of ideas as far as square footage per bird, but I had planned to follow the 1.5 one (not completely) like 8 X 4 = 32 / 1.5 = 21.3 so like put in 20 birds or 18 birds? But in the end its all on the birds personalities and what they feel comfortable with I guess.

Shokri
8X4 really shouldn't be more than 16 birds if you go by the formula. They really should have 2 sq. feet of floor space. 1 1/2 sq. ft. is the minimum, but not as good or as healthy.
It isn't just the birds personalities. Yes, over crowding will cause stress on the birds, which can cause illness, but it isn't healthy to put in more than that in that space. Disease will spread more easily also.
 

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(Photo) of my 8'x4' starter Loft

Here's a Photo of my 8x4 loft.............works good! I live in town & needed a smaller loft............
 

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That's cute.
 

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Whats up with the legs? how are you able to stand in it without it breaking? lol I don't think I could stand in something like that and feel safe lol.
 

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This loft is sturdy, no problems............I wanted it off the ground higher, better air circulation & keeps critters from living under it too.........stays Dry. easy to move around in too.
 

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This loft is sturdy, no problems............I wanted it off the ground higher, better air circulation & keeps critters from living under it too.........stays Dry. easy to move around in too.
I looked at the photos on your page its a really impressive loft!
 
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