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My pigeon has been fluffed up and not very active today and yesturday evening. This morning I found some poos which had clear liquid urea but the solid part was white! Pretty sure this isn't good and she seems under the weather. Does anyone know what this could be?
 

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Hard to tell exactly what is going on, but she does sound like she is ill.

First of all, is she eating well? Do you have her on any medication? Did you change her food or environment, move her cage? Any other change made?

If she is not eating enough or stopped eating, that can cause poops to change in consistency and appearance, so you may need to hand/force feed. Losing weight will just complicate whatever else is going on so please make sure to feed her, even if she is just not eating enough.

Her gut PH may also be off, so she may need probiotics and/or a little organic apple cider vinegar in her drinking water.

If she is fluffed she may not have the energy to keep herself warm, so make sure she is warm and out of any drafts of air and air conditioning.

Can't diagnose, but this is a start to getting her better.
 

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Food wise she has always been very fussy, only eating millet, sunflower seeds and the small red seeds which are in pigeon feed. The last couple of days she's started to eat marbled peas as she's seen my other pigeon eating them. She's eaten some sunflower seeds today as I use them as treats, and I offered her some marbled peas but she wouldn't take them. I have put a bowl of millet next to her so she can pick at it if she wants. It's very hot at the moment here so I think she's ok heat wise. I did put harkers anti parasite thing on them last week, and it's the internal and external parasite one. Haven't seen any worms in their droppings.
 

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Food wise she has always been very fussy, only eating millet, sunflower seeds and the small red seeds which are in pigeon feed. The last couple of days she's started to eat marbled peas as she's seen my other pigeon eating them. She's eaten some sunflower seeds today as I use them as treats, and I offered her some marbled peas but she wouldn't take them. I have put a bowl of millet next to her so she can pick at it if she wants. It's very hot at the moment here so I think she's ok heat wise. I did put harkers anti parasite thing on them last week, and it's the internal and external parasite one. Haven't seen any worms in their droppings.
Sunflower seeds contain a lot of fat which can also contribute to messy watery poops, if given too much. Sunflower seeds should only be 2% of a good pigeon mix.

I would get a good pigeon seed mix, and do not allow her to eat what she feels like eating. She needs supplemental feedings if she is not eating as she used to.

Follow above instructions.
 

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I have a pigeon mix which she gets, I do feed to many sunflower seeds but I have tried moving her onto a matter food as treats for training instead. I give five or six as a lure to reward her for coming in, and I have put millet out for her as she was wasn't eating earlier so wanted to at least provide something she's less fussy about eating so she gets some food in her. I have also given them water with D3 in and some other minerals. I have been trying to get her to move onto the pigeon mix, but she's only eating the red small seeds and recently the marble peas. None of my pigeons eat the other peas available as I think they are too smooth for them to easily pick up.
 

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How does her crop seem?
Just white urate mean, food isn't passing through her crop, may be due to crop blockage.
Did you see such poop all the time or some time it is better with feces and some time just urate?
 

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I have a pigeon mix which she gets, I do feed to many sunflower seeds but I have tried moving her onto a matter food as treats for training instead. I give five or six as a lure to reward her for coming in, and I have put millet out for her as she was wasn't eating earlier so wanted to at least provide something she's less fussy about eating so she gets some food in her. I have also given them water with D3 in and some other minerals. I have been trying to get her to move onto the pigeon mix, but she's only eating the red small seeds and recently the marble peas. None of my pigeons eat the other peas available as I think they are too smooth for them to easily pick up.
Have you ever force fed a bird? If not, you need to do that until she eats well. Here is the link on feeding peas:
http://www.pigeonrescue.co.uk/peasandcorn.htm

Also, have you looked down her throat and inside her mouth? Do you see anything like white spots, yellow, anything other then pink?
 

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I have force fed a bird before, and I have a picture of a new worrying poo!
It has white solid with traces of red (blood?) in it!
Some people on a Facebook page have suggested cocciosis, is there any specific treatments which are good?
 

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dammit I can't upload a picture
I am going to disinfect the aviary ad separate her in it, I will give her some tea towels to sit on, but I don't want to use a hot water bottle or anything yet as she might overheat in this weather.
 

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Blood In Poo

I have another thread under white poo, but have now found some poos with blood in them.
And the white of the poo is not the urea, the urea is clear while the actual solid waste is white and slimy.
She has been lethargic since yesterday evening but the strange poos only appeared this morning and only found some with blood in after lunch.
I have disinfected the aviary and separated her from the other pigeon, she is currently on a tea towel to insulate her a bit, and on some newspaper so the poos will be easier to check.
I have given her water with vitamni D3 stuff in, and have given her a mix of pigeon feed, millet, sunflower hearts and egg food. The millet and sunflower hearts are to try and get her to eat as she is a very fussy eater, and for the last week I've been trying to get her to eat the pigeon mix, she only eats two of the types of seeds out of it and only when she hasn't had access to millet.
When picking her up to check her her breastbone is very prominent as she hasn't been eating properly due to her dislike of the pigeon mix.
she has no sign of canker in the throat, and I can't feel an egg or anything if she is egg bound.
It has been suggested on a Facebook page that she might have coccidisis or salmonella, I have purchased the Harkers 3 in 1 coccidisis, canker and worm treatment but it will arrive on the 4-8!
what Should I do until then?
I will try to take her to a vets tomorrow, but I am reliant on others transport!
is it better to take a poo sample to a vets instead and simply explain her condition as I don't think there's much a vet could determine just by looking at her and it would massively stress her out.
Or would the vet give her an antibiotic injection or something?
 

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She isn't eating. Yes, could be Cocci, or could be worms. What is the ingredient in the Harkers?
 

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The harkers I don't have yet or the harkers I gave to her a week ago?
The harkers I've bought but am waiting for is the Harkers 3 in 1, canker coccidiosis and worming solution.
The one I put on her a week ago which is an anti external and internal parasite one has the ingredient "ivermectin" at 0.35%.
Her most recent white poo with some blood traces had a weird texture, it was not squishy throughout but rather was coated with a slime that stopped the inside being particularity squishy. And looked like a white slug with some pink blood specks and lines through it.
And she has been pecking at the millet/pigeon feed/sunflower heart/ egg food mix I have given to her.
She has become scared aggressive towards me after I picked her up to put her in the separate area, this greatly worries me as she normally just coos and bites me to tell me off for picking her up.
 

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The 3 in 1's don't work. They don't have enough of any one drug in them to cure anything. I looked that one up, and if it is the liquid, it doesn't have enough amprolium to cure cocci. If it is the tablet, then it contains Fenbendazole, which can be toxic to pigeons. Also, to make things worse, if a med is given in the drinking water, then you cannot be sure they get enough.
Corrid would be good for cocci, and you treat for 5 days in the water, if it has to be done that way. They also have Coximed which is a tablet. You give it one day, and then again on the tenth day. Avertex Tablets is the same med, and works the same way. Day 1, then again on day 10.
If she isn't eating, then you need to hand feed her. Can you feed the defrosted peas?
 

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She is eating at the moment, but is obviously in some pain being all hunched like that. But I would be cautious about giving her anything for pain, and I only have metacam which is an anti-inflamatory as well so I'm not going to give her that.
I am going to phone a place near me tomorrow which is a specialist racing pigeon supplier, and I will ask them what they have and if they have any idea about what else it could be. Then I will go and buy stuff from there, also may visit the vets depending on how bad she is in the morning, but I'm not sure what they could directly do, as they could take poo and blood samples for testing but that will take ages.
I will write down what you've suggested and buy some from the shop.
I think something might be wrong with the pancreas as that produces the enzymes which colour waste. Is there anything that effects that part of the gut system.
 

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Either she is drinking and not eating, or the food is not going through. And she sounds as though she is hardly eating. You should hand feed her the peas and see how the droppings look then. It sounds as though there just isn't solid food in the droppings.
Metacam is what is given for pain.
If you go to the vet, you would want to bring a fresh dropping sample. It doesn't take ages to look at it under a microscope and see what is in it. It takes maybe 10 minutes.
Can you post a picture of the bird? And her droppings?
 

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I have tried to post pictures on here and it isn't working for some reason. There are pictures on the Facebook page pigeon rescue and protection UK.
And the poos are normal poo size but a weird shape, they look like a slimy white slug. Could she be passing a parasite?
 
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