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How far should a yearling be race to in the Old Bird races? 300 miles? Or should they be put in every race?
 

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How far should a yearling be race to in the Old Bird races? 300 miles? Or should they be put in every race?
I don't think there's a "set rule" to go by, but I personally, seldom send my YB's more than 250 miles and hold my yearlings to about 350.
Having said that, if you have a particular bird that seems to handle everything you throw at it with ease, then you can probably push it to the limit.
I have sent maybe 6 yb's to our 300 mile station in the past 9 years. I took 2nd and 3rd place one year in an auction race that was 320 miles and 2 years ago I won a race that was 330 miles. Most of the time, I don't ship to these stations.
It really come down to knowing your birds and what they are capable of doing.
However, in OB's, if you've got a team built up, then you can keep the yearlings at home and send the older birds on the 400's and 500's. If you're just starting and yearlings is all you have, then it's your call.
 

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I would race them out to 350 or 400 miles but that's just me. I would like all my pigeon to be able to fly 400 miles.
We would all LIKE for our birds to be able to fly 400 miles, but the truth is that ALL of your birds won't or can't fly that distance, and as the fancier and keepers of the birds, it's up to us to not ask a pigeon to do something that we're pretty darn sure it can't do.
 

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I am just speaking from what I have seen the combine that I am going to fly in had quite a few yearlings do very well from 400 miles. here are the top twenty

National Database-1 BAY CITIES COMBINE 10/14/09-18:49
FAIRFIELD CA
Weekly Race Report Page 1
Open and Sportsman Category
Name: ELKO A Old Bird Race Flown: 05/16/2009

Release(A): 06:00 Birds: 1328 Lofts: 97 Station: ELKO NV
Weather (Rel) CLEAR, CALM, 39 deg (Arr) WARM, CALM, 70 deg


POS NAME BAND NUMBER CLR X ARRIVAL MILES TOWIN YPM PT
1 MARIO MARTI/8 0039 AU 08 CGR DC C 13:47:53 378.442 00.00 1423.507 251
2 M STEVENSO/21 8413 AU 08 BIE BB H 13:39:53 371.838 00.09 1423.003 250
3 BISHOP LOF/25 1196 AU 07 HAY DC H 14:30:57 404.422 10.55 1393.048 249
4 J GONZALEZ/25 1368 AU 08 HAY BC H 14:33:42 405.561 12.16 1389.502 249
5 SIINO-DE L/25 70222 AU 07 SOC BB H 14:45:45 414.231 13.36 1386.678 248
6 M STEVENSON 8070 AU 08 BIE BB C 13:53:01 2/21 13.17 1383.513 247
7 FRED BELUS/12 0163 AU 08 FMT BB:: H 14:37:21 405.762 15.41 1380.315 246
8 GUDAITIS/C/13 1787 AU 06 HAY bb C 14:25:47 396.323 15.47 1379.076 245
9 AL RAMIREZ/22 1930 AU 08 SFR BC H 14:51:26 416.343 16.40 1378.843 244
10 M STEVENSON 8059 AU 08 BIE DC C 13:55:48 3/21 16.04 1375.420 243
11 BETTER HAL/16 81339 AU 08 SOC BBWF H 14:47:49 411.147 19.28 1370.965 242
12 EMILIANO GO/6 1295 AU 08 SFR SPL H 15:00:02 420.644 19.57 1370.904 241
13 LEO GOMEZ /25 1263 AU 08 SFR DC H 15:00:17 420.644 20.12 1370.269 240
14 AL RAMIREZ 0904 AU 07 SFR BB H 14:55:40 2/22 20.54 1367.946 239
15 Padilla /18 1977 AU 08 WSJ BBWF H 14:41:10 404.934 20.31 1367.446 238
16 JIM KENDAL/15 0960 AU 08 BOGA GRIZ C 14:05:49 376.966 19.44 1365.661 237
17 MARINELAS /20 0152 AU 08 TCH BC C 14:09:05 378.271 21.24 1361.193 236
18 VOGEL /23 1126 AU 08 GRP BB H 14:50:20 410.085 23.20 1360.873 235
19 JOE LAFAUC/12 1438 AU 06 SFR BCWF H 15:03:30 419.296 25.05 1357.793 234
20 ZACK JONES/25 0979 AU 07 COM BC H 14:22:22 387.495 23.16 1357.555
 
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I am just speaking from what I have seen the combine that I am going to fly in had quite a few yearlings do very well from 400 miles. here are the top twenty

National Database-1 BAY CITIES COMBINE 10/14/09-18:49
FAIRFIELD CA
Weekly Race Report Page 1
Open and Sportsman Category
Name: ELKO A Old Bird Race Flown: 05/16/2009

Release(A): 06:00 Birds: 1328 Lofts: 97 Station: ELKO NV
Weather (Rel) CLEAR, CALM, 39 deg (Arr) WARM, CALM, 70 deg


POS NAME BAND NUMBER CLR X ARRIVAL MILES TOWIN YPM PT
1 MARIO MARTI/8 0039 AU 08 CGR DC C 13:47:53 378.442 00.00 1423.507 251
2 M STEVENSO/21 8413 AU 08 BIE BB H 13:39:53 371.838 00.09 1423.003 250
3 BISHOP LOF/25 1196 AU 07 HAY DC H 14:30:57 404.422 10.55 1393.048 249
4 J GONZALEZ/25 1368 AU 08 HAY BC H 14:33:42 405.561 12.16 1389.502 249
5 SIINO-DE L/25 70222 AU 07 SOC BB H 14:45:45 414.231 13.36 1386.678 248
6 M STEVENSON 8070 AU 08 BIE BB C 13:53:01 2/21 13.17 1383.513 247
7 FRED BELUS/12 0163 AU 08 FMT BB:: H 14:37:21 405.762 15.41 1380.315 246
8 GUDAITIS/C/13 1787 AU 06 HAY bb C 14:25:47 396.323 15.47 1379.076 245
9 AL RAMIREZ/22 1930 AU 08 SFR BC H 14:51:26 416.343 16.40 1378.843 244
10 M STEVENSON 8059 AU 08 BIE DC C 13:55:48 3/21 16.04 1375.420 243
11 BETTER HAL/16 81339 AU 08 SOC BBWF H 14:47:49 411.147 19.28 1370.965 242
12 EMILIANO GO/6 1295 AU 08 SFR SPL H 15:00:02 420.644 19.57 1370.904 241
13 LEO GOMEZ /25 1263 AU 08 SFR DC H 15:00:17 420.644 20.12 1370.269 240
14 AL RAMIREZ 0904 AU 07 SFR BB H 14:55:40 2/22 20.54 1367.946 239
15 Padilla /18 1977 AU 08 WSJ BBWF H 14:41:10 404.934 20.31 1367.446 238
16 JIM KENDAL/15 0960 AU 08 BOGA GRIZ C 14:05:49 376.966 19.44 1365.661 237
17 MARINELAS /20 0152 AU 08 TCH BC C 14:09:05 378.271 21.24 1361.193 236
18 VOGEL /23 1126 AU 08 GRP BB H 14:50:20 410.085 23.20 1360.873 235
19 JOE LAFAUC/12 1438 AU 06 SFR BCWF H 15:03:30 419.296 25.05 1357.793 234
20 ZACK JONES/25 0979 AU 07 COM BC H 14:22:22 387.495 23.16 1357.555
the point your are trying to make would be more valid if you showed how many out of those 1328 birds made it home from that race... the top 20 means very little in the grand scale of how many ybs cant make it home on a 400 mile race .
 

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A lot depends on the fancier, the course, and how mature and healthy/fit the bird is. Lots of them can handle it, lots of them can't. Many can handle it but the fancier will never know because they don't risk it. Others who COULD handle it, may not be able to due to the fancier not giving it his/her best.
 

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97 birds did not make it home to clock in time to get on the race sheet, so if want to call them lost there where 97 out of 1328 that where lost. These are old birds aka yearling or older not YBS. I know courses vary in difficulty and weather but on this day and on this course yearlings did quite well. Here is the link to the results http://www.baycitiescombine.com/09elko.htm
 

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I don't think there's a "set rule" to go by, but I personally, seldom send my YB's more than 250 miles and hold my yearlings to about 350.
Having said that, if you have a particular bird that seems to handle everything you throw at it with ease, then you can probably push it to the limit.
I have sent maybe 6 yb's to our 300 mile station in the past 9 years. I took 2nd and 3rd place one year in an auction race that was 320 miles and 2 years ago I won a race that was 330 miles. Most of the time, I don't ship to these stations.
It really come down to knowing your birds and what they are capable of doing.
However, in OB's, if you've got a team built up, then you can keep the yearlings at home and send the older birds on the 400's and 500's. If you're just starting and yearlings is all you have, then it's your call.

The reason for my question was because an older flyer in my club told me that I should fly them to 300 miles only, then rest them. I am just looking for another opinion, so thanks Lovebird for the second opinion. And yes, my yearlings are going to be my old bird team next year.
 
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I think if your breeding from 400 mile breeders you have a better chance that the offspring have the capability to get home from those distances .. well that and good health in your birds ;)
 

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I am just speaking from what I have seen the combine that I am going to fly in had quite a few yearlings do very well from 400 miles. here are the top twenty

National Database-1 BAY CITIES COMBINE 10/14/09-18:49
FAIRFIELD CA
Weekly Race Report Page 1
Open and Sportsman Category
Name: ELKO A Old Bird Race Flown: 05/16/2009

Release(A): 06:00 Birds: 1328 Lofts: 97 Station: ELKO NV
Weather (Rel) CLEAR, CALM, 39 deg (Arr) WARM, CALM, 70 deg


POS NAME BAND NUMBER CLR X ARRIVAL MILES TOWIN YPM PT
1 MARIO MARTI/8 0039 AU 08 CGR DC C 13:47:53 378.442 00.00 1423.507 251
2 M STEVENSO/21 8413 AU 08 BIE BB H 13:39:53 371.838 00.09 1423.003 250
3 BISHOP LOF/25 1196 AU 07 HAY DC H 14:30:57 404.422 10.55 1393.048 249
4 J GONZALEZ/25 1368 AU 08 HAY BC H 14:33:42 405.561 12.16 1389.502 249
5 SIINO-DE L/25 70222 AU 07 SOC BB H 14:45:45 414.231 13.36 1386.678 248
6 M STEVENSON 8070 AU 08 BIE BB C 13:53:01 2/21 13.17 1383.513 247
7 FRED BELUS/12 0163 AU 08 FMT BB:: H 14:37:21 405.762 15.41 1380.315 246
8 GUDAITIS/C/13 1787 AU 06 HAY bb C 14:25:47 396.323 15.47 1379.076 245
9 AL RAMIREZ/22 1930 AU 08 SFR BC H 14:51:26 416.343 16.40 1378.843 244
10 M STEVENSON 8059 AU 08 BIE DC C 13:55:48 3/21 16.04 1375.420 243
11 BETTER HAL/16 81339 AU 08 SOC BBWF H 14:47:49 411.147 19.28 1370.965 242
12 EMILIANO GO/6 1295 AU 08 SFR SPL H 15:00:02 420.644 19.57 1370.904 241
13 LEO GOMEZ /25 1263 AU 08 SFR DC H 15:00:17 420.644 20.12 1370.269 240
14 AL RAMIREZ 0904 AU 07 SFR BB H 14:55:40 2/22 20.54 1367.946 239
15 Padilla /18 1977 AU 08 WSJ BBWF H 14:41:10 404.934 20.31 1367.446 238
16 JIM KENDAL/15 0960 AU 08 BOGA GRIZ C 14:05:49 376.966 19.44 1365.661 237
17 MARINELAS /20 0152 AU 08 TCH BC C 14:09:05 378.271 21.24 1361.193 236
18 VOGEL /23 1126 AU 08 GRP BB H 14:50:20 410.085 23.20 1360.873 235
19 JOE LAFAUC/12 1438 AU 06 SFR BCWF H 15:03:30 419.296 25.05 1357.793 234
20 ZACK JONES/25 0979 AU 07 COM BC H 14:22:22 387.495 23.16 1357.555
Another thing to look at when looking at these results.........out of the first 20 birds, there are 17 lofts represented. That's ONE bird to a loft(12 yearlings) out of 25 shipped? 20 shipped? 12 shipped?
Without checking the whole race sheet and going through the numbers to see WHO shipped how many yearlings, 1 yearling home out of 25 or however many birds shipped isn't very good odds if you ask me.
Now, at the end of the day, if a fancier shipped half yearlings and they were all home by days end, then, depending on how you look at it, that could be good or bad. For me personally, regardless of where they place on the race sheet, if they're home, then I'm happy. It really doesn't mean one darn thing to me to win a race OR place good and have the majority of my birds not make it home. I'll take my birds home where they belong over a win every time. Sadly, most fanciers don't see things this way, thus the high losses. The more birds you send, the better chance you have of winning or placing good and if that happens, then the other birds just become "the price to pay to get that win"...........
 
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