Hi Battler;
I hope this will help you some. Click on the link.

http://gotomy.com/color.html

 

More colors

This one shows neutral colors as well as your general purpose colors. Click on the link:


http://somacon.com/p142.php

 

Well, do you mean when breeding birds, to get certain colors? If so, I think you can find something on www.slobberknockerlofts.com
Daryl
Just be aware, you need to know the genetics behind the parent birds to be sure of what you'll get for colors in babies.

 

Well done Pigeonmama and I thought Battler was doing a homework assignment or something! I thought that was an odd request, but what the heck!

 

whatare the colors of your birds as of now

 

Lots of good information here: http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/pigeongenetics/

Terry

 

Great link, Terry! Lots of good reading material there and he explains it so it's understandable, which is wonderful.

 

Color chart

that is some color chart. I want to print the whole thing.

 

Terry,

I think that link should be filed for future use under genetics, if it isn't already or is it already somewhere on a sticky?

 

Terry,

I think that link should be filed for future use under genetics, if it isn't already or is it already somewhere on a sticky?

Good idea .. will have to look and see if there is a good place to put it.

Terry

 

I bet Alaska

would be interested in the color chart info if not already familiar with them. Alaska is really in to genetics and could probably add a comment or two...

 

Hi all,
Well actually I don't mean to sound like I'm bragging or anything, but I actually know both of the people who made those two sites
I know Frank personally...he is the one who wrote the Pigeon Genetics Page you have linked to above. He is a very knowledgable man and we have had MANY discussions on Pigeon Genetics, he is one of the people I look to if I get a little uncertain on the nitty grittys of Pigeon Genetics.
I also have had a few discussions with Bob (Slobberknockers Loft) a while back when I was looking into getting Ruby to match her up as the ideal partner for Cecil, his magnificent color chart is one of the best I have seen on the net.

I really recommend reading Franks Genetics Page, it gives a good basic understanding of how it all works, and Frank has a great way of writing that makes it easy to absorb all the info. Reading this and then referencing Slobberknockers color chart is a great way of using both of these sites together to get an understanding of different genes and how they work and look in a pigeon.

Battler, if you need any specific questions answered or are uncertain of anything just let us know here and I will try and answer your questions for you.


PS. I was actually just recently toying with the idea of writing a website that shows the effects of different genes on the phenotype (appearance) of a pigeon. When I get some time I will set about designing this. So basically you would click on the genes and see what the bird would look like. I'll have to put some more thought into this and perhaps get something started.


PPS. Heres an interesting fact for all PigeonPix Members...did you know Frank was the first person to try uploading photos to my PigeonPix site when I first put it on the web and was testing it...here is his album...http://www.pixalbums.net/?site=Pigeon&album=Frank Mosca

Regards
Alaska

 

Hi alaska,

If you have any suggestions in what should be in a genetics thread that would be most appreciative.

Thanks

 

Wow!

That California Color pigeon sure has unusual coloring! Really different!

The Blue Bar looks like Mr Squeaks - IF Mr Squeaks had a full wing! Lovely birds that Frank posted!

A Genetics Sticky would be really helpful to many of the members, I'm sure!

 

The California Pigeon is definately a work of breeding art achieved by Frank and he has produced a really beautiful breed.
The blue bar pic is one of my favourite blue bar pics,now that I think about it it does look alot like Mr Squeaks
As for the Genetic Sticky I think this is a great idea, and would only be too pleased to have some input into forming it.
Infact in my crazed love of Pigeon Genetics I would even go as far as saying a new section on Genetics with a few stickys up the top, and room for posting genetics questions about our birds would be REALLY even better..lol
Such information as base colors, pigments, and a quick run down on genetics symbols and terms would not take very long to make up and would make for a great primer.
Regards
Alaska

 

Well Guess What, Alaska...

I nominate you to be our Pigeon Talk "Genetics Expert."

We'll be waiting for the Sticky. I know you will do a bang-up job!

Passionate interest in subject (Genetics) + knowledge = ALASKA

 

Color chart

Sticky. What a good idea. Genetics are to cool.

 

I remember back to the later 1970s. When Joe Quinns notebook came out more. alot of people got om the genatic breeding.At first there birds went down hill For some. As you look back to see what your birds are masking you also bring up past faults. That have been bred out towards improvement. And we find a bird can mask several back crossed colors. there are plenty of colors out there among the different breeds now. So plenty to work with. setting a new color takes sometime. As the out cross coloring has to become reproducable. And then getting it reconized in the breed standard takes time also. Now genatics is both good and bad. Depends on how deep you go. a person does not want to tear down there breed for the sake of color. So you have to set a program of atainment. And that often is at least a 5 year proagram. Now building a gene pool of top birds offers a breeder a improved quality of breeding. by understanding what you trying to breed for. And the path in which to set that need. Few people reach the top in there given breed. As its a art Of developing the minds eye Of a set standard and understanding of that standard. The math in which you establish colors And the amount in which you will produce certion colors is a understanding that some do not grasp. every form of pigeon breeding is a art. If you are to be sucsessful. And just 1 part is in the back yard loft. Exposeing your birds to shows to flying tests your results torwards progress. As just seeing only your birds the eye sees just 1 result. now compareing that result with others shows the over all out come of what you are working towards. any known color out there now is obtainble to any breed. Its just the out cross and setting it along with the standard that many will not take that time to do. As it does lead to the set back for a period. So you have to remember to go forward while working a new color in. So the interest stays intact. Then build a group of interseted people wanting to also raise and breed that new color line of that breed. By exhibting the birds.

 

onething about the colors, I'm curious of how to get a white bar but it doesn't say anything about how to mix these colors to get a white bar pigeon

 

Hi battler,
This is were the difference between a base pigment colour and other genetic modifiers come into play...
Think of each pigeon having a ladder (the dna strand) that has many rungs on it(alleles). Each rung determines a certain character or feature of the pigeon.
There is a rung (allele) on the ladder (dna strand) that controls what base pigment colour a pigeon will be. On this rung a pigeon can have one of three options. Brown, Wildtype(Blue/Black), and Ash-Red.
No matter what any of our pigeons look like they all have this underlying base pigment colour and it CAN ONLY be one of the three colours mentioned above.
So how do we get so many other colours and patterns in our pigeons, like the white bars?
There are many other rungs on the ladder that contain other genetic modifiers that affect the end resulting appearance of the pigeon (it's phenotype). And a pigeon may have many of no other genetic modifiers within its dna strand (ladder).
Depending on what other genetic modifiers a pigeon may have this will effect the appearance of the bird according to that particular modifier. For example you can have Brown, Wildtype (Blue-Black), and an Ash-Red pigeon all carrying the gene for Hom Recessive Red and all three pigeons will appear to be a reddy brown colour all over, even though their base pigments are different, as Recessive Red covers up the base pigment colour (like a pigeon wearing a jumper).

So to have white bars, a pigeon would need to carry a gene that creates this effect on the pigeon...and this gene is called Dominant Opal (Od). A bird can be any base pigment colour and still show white bars because it also has the Dom Opal Gene.

A very good example of this type of bird can be found in the current thread jimmyrenex has opened here in General Discussion:
http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/showthread.php?t=13322

The bird in the fourth post carries Dominant Opal and has white bars.

Regards
Alaska

 

The color if not yet introduced into a certion breed line of birds has to come from a color outcross. As its been said. Now being though many colors have been added to exsisting breds of pigeons. So its much easyer to locate that desired color and add it to or breed from that color line.